All DPS clears highlight a problem with encounter design in ShB

[Payotz]

They're never gonna make casual content harder because it will destroy the casual playerbase of the game.
They specifically designed casual content to be as face-rolly as possible, and the few fights with dps checks in the game have echo built in.
Even EX dps checks have very forgiving dps checks where you can just die 12 times and still clear.

If you wanna be challenged, come and do Savage and Ultimates. It's a lot more fun than casual content imho.

[QooEr]

They're never gonna make casual content harder because it will destroy the casual playerbase of the game.
They specifically designed casual content to be as face-rolly as possible, and the few fights with dps checks in the game have echo built in.
Even EX dps checks have very forgiving dps checks where you can just die 12 times and still clear.

If you wanna be challenged, come and do Savage and Ultimates. It's a lot more fun than casual content imho.

The complaint is that even savage content has too low healing requirements, even at low item level, to the point its actually absurd.

I also dont know why Extreme trials became what they are now, look at niddhogg extreme when it was released and compare it to the ruby weapon.

A few parties give it a go but because of some annoying "targets both healers" mechanics, it's too much of a hassle for most parties gain.

so bascially the only reason people bring 2 healers is just because the mechanics force the composition, and not because healers need to actually heal anything.

[ForteNightshade]

They're never gonna make casual content harder because it will destroy the casual playerbase of the game.
They specifically designed casual content to be as face-rolly as possible, and the few fights with dps checks in the game have echo built in.
Even EX dps checks have very forgiving dps checks where you can just die 12 times and still clear.

If you wanna be challenged, come and do Savage and Ultimates. It's a lot more fun than casual content imho.

Except even Savage suffers from low healing requirement. It takes a full two minutes for Idol of Darkness to do anything warranting a GCD heal. Empty Wave goes out but nothing else for long enough Whispering Dawn and Assize will easily tick every up without either healer ever having to slow down their Broil/Glare spam. That's ridiculous for the third fight of a tier.

And while it may be their philosophy to make casual content face-rolling. That is also why they're receiving so many complaints nowadays from even average healers how boring the jobs have become. You literally don't need two healers, thus one ends up being a gimped DPS bot half the time. Tanking has suffered similarly but they have a rotation to fall back on. Healers spam a single button 90% of their time—which is not what people envisioned doing as healers I imagine. Hence why Shadowbringers has seen such a large amount of backlash towards the role. You can make casual content easy while still giving healers something to heal, or at the very least, something else to do.

[Payotz]

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Oh I'm not defending the practice. I've been wanting more healing checks and dps checks in a lot more content ever since Stormblood.
It just wouldn't really be viable in SE's mind because they seem to be really focusing on new players and casual players this expansion to the point that what little depth all jobs had was ripped away from them. I even remembered where Yoshi said that WHM was hard to play back in Stormblood and they wanted to make the job "easier". Even solo duties, which isn't that hard frankly, has a very easy mode version, and most solo duties in the expansion literally only gives you 4 buttons.

It'll be nice if there's some greater push by the dev team for a difficulty bump in casual content that will also translate into a difficulty bump in EX and Savage, but the majority of the playerbase won't like that. I'm even more inclined to believe that they'll nerf Savage even further before making any non-high end content harder.

Also to be fair, E7S is leaning towards an EX fight to be honest. That fight's pretty easy even for current Savage.
E8S' add phase is probably a lot harder to heal than that fight.

[SpiralMask]

They're never gonna make casual content harder because it will destroy the casual playerbase of the game.
They specifically designed casual content to be as face-rolly as possible, and the few fights with dps checks in the game have echo built in.
Even EX dps checks have very forgiving dps checks where you can just die 12 times and still clear.

If you wanna be challenged, come and do Savage and Ultimates. It's a lot more fun than casual content imho.

I remember the absolute shitstorm that was shinryu normal vs casuals