All DPS clears highlight a problem with encounter design in ShB

[Risvertasashi]

Not to disrespect their achievement. But that it's so easy to simply get rid of healers (and tanks...) shows just how low the healing requirements are.

And it's not just "casual" content either. We've had 2 full tiers of savage now, with only one left coming in the expac. And the healing requirements are a joke. Nothing comes anywhere close to the stormblood raids. Remember Almagest? Godka's 1hp drop with Heartless Angel, and all the different Forsaken attacks, and stuff in between? Final Omega was perhaps not as heavy because it was more about movement, but it was still heavier than what we have now.

Then you have the likes of Titan and Shiva. Which really only have one slightly-challenged-while-ilvl-is-low healcheck at the very end of the respective fights. That become jokes when you're max ilvl.

So is this a problem? Well, when some of the hardest fights in the game can have you being a glare/malefic/broil bot for 3+ minutes at a time with maybe touching an oGCD heal during that time - it really highlights the simplified healer DPS and.... it's just really boring.

Even in stormblood a lot of people thought healing requirements were too low, thus making the DPS meta even stronger. But with ShB, SE has only made it worse - and made healing requirements even lighter.

[Mavrias]

If this is talking about the all dps clear of Copied Factory, here have been all tank and all healer clears of it previously. The same is true of the Heavensward and Stormblood Alliances when they were current. Casual content is not a good metric of anything really.

It's more an overall design philosophy disconnect with the devs. What's hilarious is even when they said healing would be more intensive (this was just before ShB launched) it actually became even lighter. Personally, I think its because they design everything on a casual level first and then bump everything up maybe 70% for Savage content.

[Hysterior]

Are a lot of teams clearing this raid tier with only one healer already? Is it already the standard?
Genuinely asking, just did Fulmination Savage (Ramuh) here.

[Crushnight]

Replacing tanks or healers for Dps has existed since ARR, Neal Dues Darnus was a solo tank affair, t8 could be solo tanked as well, Ramuh EX briefly was a no tank affair, so on and so on.

People will find a way to replace healers and tanks the moment they can, if it is easy to do it will be the defacto strategy to do it, fortunately no fight this expansion was defacto solo tank or solo heal but something that is possible if skilled enough.

However I think the devs really do need to sit down and look at healing requirements and healer toolkits when designing content, as TEA is solo healable, something I think should not be allowed ever, Ultimates should be pushing the standard comp to its limits and that has 2 healers not 1, they absolutely could do the same for savage particularly the last floors of each set.

They tried forcing with mechanics but people build work arounds unless you do something like a7s where things hit hard enough and 1 healer gets incapacitated, so healing requirements NEED to be uped in Savage and Ultimate so long as we have our current toolkits.

[ItMe]

Are a lot of teams clearing with only one healer already? Is it already the standard?
Genuinely asking, just did Ramuh here.

It's not even "the standard" to solo heal Innocence EX yet.

[Rilifane]

Are a lot of teams clearing this raid tier with only one healer already? Is it already the standard?
Genuinely asking, just did Fulmination Savage (Ramuh) here.

No.
A few parties give it a go but because of some annoying "targets both healers" mechanics, it's too much of a hassle for most parties because it requires additional coordination. And the last mechanics of most boss fights aren't nearly as annoying as Cycles or Black Smokers, so skipping them is nice but not that much of a gain.
Not even ex trials get solo healed on a regular basis although the healring requirement there is laughably low.

The healign requirement would allow solo healing but it's just not worth the risk for most parties.

Replacing tanks and healers the moment you can is standard practice in MMOs. FFXIV is just more restrictive because of how some mechanics target and 2/2/4 is the standard comp. In other MMOs you can freely chose the number of healer you take with you. In prog you generally start with one additional healer and later replace them.
You don't have a standard comp, you adjust the amount of tanks and healers to your need.

[AdamFyi]

I found the heal checks for Eden a lot tougher than Omega, honestly. Neo Exdeath really only had Almagest to his name as there’s barely any healing outside of it (which was like 70% of the fight), and God Kefka’s Heartless Angel wasn’t a very well-received heal check mechanic (and any White Hole variants lol). They could do more to flesh out healer DPS kits to make ‘em more interesting, but Eden definitely isn’t slacking compared to older raids. Maybe you’re just getting better at the game, OP?

It's not even "the standard" to solo heal Innocence EX yet.

Actually, I think it is. Saw a bunch of solo heal parties this past week. With current gear, any healer can pretty much solo heal the fight.

[Risvertasashi]

Are a lot of teams clearing this raid tier with only one healer already? Is it already the standard?
Genuinely asking, just did Fulmination Savage (Ramuh) here.

It's not even "the standard" to solo heal Innocence EX yet.

And it never will be, because FF logs won't rank nonstandard compositions in its main rankings.

But that doesn't really change how easy healing requirements have become.

If this is talking about the all dps clear of Copied Factory, here have been all tank and all healer clears of it previously. The same is true of the Heavensward and Stormblood Alliances when they were current. Casual content is not a good metric of anything really.

It's more an overall design philosophy disconnect with the devs. What's hilarious is even when they said healing would be more intensive (this was just before ShB launched) it actually became even lighter. Personally, I think its because they design everything on a casual level first and then bump everything up maybe 70% for Savage content.

Yes, but it's always been known the DPS checks are absurdly easy. Nonetheless, easy DPS checks doesn't impact a DPS job's rotation.

Exceptionally low healing requirements mean healers don't get to use the majority of their kit and are stuck with mostly spamming 1 button.

Also, I don't recall any DPS-only clears of Orbonne when it was current. If there's a video of it somewhere (or at least a screenshot), I'd love to see it. Now 7-DPS 1-healer clears were a thing sometimes, that I do know...

- anyway. I basically agree. I'm just pointing out how low the requirements are across the spectrum.

[ItMe]

Actually, I think it is. Saw a bunch of solo heal parties this past week. With current gear, any healer can pretty much solo heal the fight.

Yes, it can be cleared with one healer, but it's not the norm yet.
I've seen some of those PFs. Joined a few too. Most end in disaster because the average player isn't good enough and a lotta people running Inno EX aren't coming in with a 460+ iLVL.

[Payotz]

They're never gonna make casual content harder because it will destroy the casual playerbase of the game.
They specifically designed casual content to be as face-rolly as possible, and the few fights with dps checks in the game have echo built in.
Even EX dps checks have very forgiving dps checks where you can just die 12 times and still clear.

If you wanna be challenged, come and do Savage and Ultimates. It's a lot more fun than casual content imho.