Endgame content is too stressfull and difficult

[HyoMinPark]

I'm running out of things to do and EX/Savage is too stressful and difficult.

That’s a you problem. Not a content problem.

Obviously, if you find it too stressful and/or too difficult, that likely means that it’s not the content for you. Getting good at Savage takes time and practice. If you aren’t willing to put in the time, then you probably shouldn’t do it. Stop asking for it to get easier because it’s already much easier compared to what it used to be. Besides, asking for it to be easier isn’t necessarily going to make you better at it. It’ll just make it easier to faceroll—and you don’t have to be good at video games to faceroll content.

There's your point. Whine and bitch all you like about how you wanna feel special because your static clears E8S with highest damage numbers and your pointless parsing and all that other garbage minutiae that should have died with World of Warcraft.

First, giant LOL to this entire statement right here.

If things like FFLogs and parsing didn’t exist in FFXIV’s raid scene, it would die overnight. And the developers know this. Aside from Ultimate, there’s nothing keeping the content alive. Groups would do weekly clears until everyone got their gear, and that would be that. Chasing leaderboards appeals to the hardcore raiders—and it’s fine if it doesn’t to you; it doesn’t to a lot of midcore and casual raiders, either. But the developers are well aware of how the raiding community feels about their “highest damage numbers” and “pointless parsing” and “other garbage minutiae”. And, quite frankly, it has very little with ForteNightshade wanting to “feel special”. I’d wager they’re like myself, and they’re tired of seeing Savage content watered down because people like you don’t want to put in the time and effort to beat it as it is. Which is more than doable—but you have to be willing to put in the time and effort. I don’t really get that impression from you.

We're 4 months out from the last major content patch with still another month to go. Doing the same boring content over and over again is putting me off this game. But the stress levels involved in raiding Savage and EX content are equally off putting. And the stress is even more when you're dealing with [Learning] parties who are generally filled with people who screw up so hard and so often that you're left literally wondering if they're doing it on purpose.

Then unsub if you’re out of stuff to do? Or roll an alt? The developers encourage breaks—and with housing demolition being suspended, you don’t even run the risk of losing your house, if you happen to have one. The delay in Patch 5.3 is of no fault of the developers—and while I have my own complaints about the state of between-patches and the lulls that they have, I at least recognize that I could just do something else. Which is basically what I’m doing right now. I don’t have a work schedule that can fit in with finding a static right now, so I’m just relaxing and playing on alts for the time being. When I don’t feel like playing the game, I do other things. Like read a book.

Savage is supposed to be for the good players that want something challenging. It’s not supposed to be faceroll like 95% of the content in this game—otherwise, they wouldn’t call it “Savage”. As I said above, if that’s not your cup of tea, then perhaps you should recognize when you should stop beating your head against the wall, and just stop.

I've tried to find other things to do. I can't get a house because the suits decided to turn off auto-demolish. Diadem is boring. Eureka is boring. Leveling old jobs means doing the MSQ Roulette over and over and that's incredible boring! And I'd soon slash my wrists with a rusty fishing knife than subject myself to the god awful PvP in this game.

The developers suspended housing demolition because people all over the globe are being affected by COVID-19. A lot of people are out of jobs due to their workplace laying them off or closing outright (be it through bankruptcy or otherwise), and not everyone can fall back on unemployment or government assistance. I’ve worked through the entirety of this pandemic in the US and seen how crazy it can be, and just how many people were desperate enough to find work that they would call to work at a grocery store chain as a cashier or bagger (and I’m not even in one of the worst states). So I honestly respect their decision. If you don’t, well that’s your prerogative—but at least try to understand where they were coming from when they opted to suspend it. Things still aren’t back to normal here. In fact, they’re already calling for a second wave where I live. Cases are going up instead of going down; cities and counties have reverted back to earlier phases of re-opening because they numbers won’t go down. So, again. Have a little perspective.

If you find Diadem boring, then Diadem isn’t for you (honestly, I found it relaxing, but gathering is like a sort of meditation for me—I just put on some music or some Netflix and relax). If you find Eureka boring, then it isn’t for you (honestly, I only enjoyed Eureka when I did it with friends because we could goof off in voice chat—BA was a lot of fun, though; and I did like joining groups trying to spawn NMs like Cassie in Pagos and stuff). Nothing wrong with that. Just like there’s nothing wrong with Savage not being for you. Not everything in this game has to be catered to your tastes. There’s plenty of players like you who don’t enjoy everything this game has. It’s a theme park MMO.

There’s also plenty of ways to level other jobs aside from MSQ Roulette. You don’t even have to touch that roulette to level a job in a timely manner. I did Alliance, Leveling, Normal Mode, and Trial Roulettes, and got my RDM to level 80 in 2~3 days. And with very little dungeon spamming, actually. I used it to do some of the Rank 3 FATE stuff, to be honest. Wanted that Butterfly Effect minion from the Greatwood. Nice hyperbole, though.

Get over yourself! You're not special just because you find endgame content easy.

Honestly, the same could be said to you. Get over yourself, because you aren’t special simply because you think Savage is too hard and needs to be watered down even more.

Why don’t you actually try improving yourself instead of just whining about how hard it is? PF can be rough, I’ll admit. But seems to me like you’re just throwing your hands up in the air and giving up—most of your posts about tackling higher-end content come off this way. That’s not a good reason to nerf the content when it’s already much easier than it has been in the past. Heck, the third floor fights this expansion aren’t even worthy of being a third fight in a tier. They aren’t as easy as Alte Roite was, but they aren’t exactly difficult. Leviathan basically did nothing until Tsunami I/II, and Idol of Darkness literally doesn’t require me, as a healer, to do anything related to my role for the first two minutes of the fight. Thinking back to third-tier fights like Cruise Chaser, Halicarnassus, and Omega, I was disappointed by both. (And those aren’t even the hardest third-tier fights, but at least they felt like they deserved to be in that slot. Levi and Idol could literally be the first fight of the tier with how easy they are. Not that E1S or E5S are hard, but still.)

[ItMe]

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Wow... You laid that out really well.
I almost didn't read that because of the length, but I'm glad I did.
If anyone kinda scrolled over that, I recommend not skipping it.

[JamieRose]

So many wasted words to essentially say "Get on my level or get out!".

[HyoMinPark]

So many wasted words to essentially say "Get on my level or get out!".

Actually, I’d say that what everyone is saying is exactly what you said to ForteNightshade:

Get over yourself. You aren’t that special. Really, for all the effort you’ve put into arguing about how elitist everyone else is—you could have put some of that to bettering yourself at Savage content.

Endgame content shouldn’t be nerfed because you don’t want to bother improving yourself.

[JamieRose]

Actually, I’d say that what everyone is saying is exactly what you said to ForteNightshade:

Get over yourself. You aren’t that special. Really, for all the effort you’ve put into arguing about how elitist everyone else is—you could have put some of that to bettering yourself at Savage content.

Endgame content shouldn’t be nerfed because you don’t want to bother improving yourself.

I never said it needed to be outright nerfed, that's you putting words in my mouth. The problem is that the content is stress inducing due to the low margin of error and people like you who fly off the handle when someone messes up. We suggested that an intermediate step would be helpful and you and your buddies balked at that.

People like you make these forums practically unusable because every time someone like me or the OP brings up a valid concern you and your gestapo rush in to shame us like you're playing a game of Whack-A-Mole.

And you call me entitled.

[TyrTry]

I never said it needed to be outright nerfed, that's you putting words in my mouth. The problem is that the content is stress inducing due to the low margin of error and people like you who fly off the handle when someone messes up. We suggested that an intermediate step would be helpful and you and your buddies balked at that.

People like you make these forums practically unusable because every time someone like me or the OP brings up a valid concern you and your gestapo rush in to shame us like you're playing a game of Whack-A-Mole.

And you call me entitled.

Practically unusable? You expected positive responses when you told people to get over themselves? This ain't an no echo chamber; you poured down the gasoline and the fire exploded towards you.

The content just may not be for you. So what?Just like Ultimates aren't for me. You have plenty of content in the game to keep you otherwise. If you find the content so damn boring, then quit and resub! People do it all the time!

Savage and Extremes are meant to test players and their abilities! It's supposed to be stressful and infuriating and that's why I enjoy it! I like to push myself. Other players just may not like that. Not EVERYTHING needs to be catered towards EVERYONE.

What exactly is the intermediate step you are looking for? Like Expert? I mean, Extreme can be about as intermediate as you can get.

[ForteNightshade]

I never said it needed to be outright nerfed, that's you putting words in my mouth. The problem is that the content is stress inducing due to the low margin of error and people like you who fly off the handle when someone messes up. We suggested that an intermediate step would be helpful and you and your buddies balked at that.

People like you make these forums practically unusable because every time someone like me or the OP brings up a valid concern you and your gestapo rush in to shame us like you're playing a game of Whack-A-Mole.

And you call me entitled.

There already is an intermediate step: Extreme Primals.

But you claimed even that was too difficult. At which point... maybe you need to accept it isn't the content but yourself that needs improvement. Alas, it's quite apparent you can't handle criticism given how quickly you've lashed out despite HyoMin's post being neither mean-spirited nor rude. Perhaps don't post on a forum if you only expect widespread agreement. This isn't an echo chamber.

Throwing a fit and telling people to "get over themselves" when you're demanding even more content be catered towards you despite already having a disproportionate amount favoring the casual demographic does, indeed, make you come across entitled.

[ItMe]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion:
I actually wish end game fights were harder but shorter.

[HyoMinPark]

I never said it needed to be outright nerfed, that's you putting words in my mouth. The problem is that the content is stress inducing due to the low margin of error and people like you who fly off the handle when someone messes up. We suggested that an intermediate step would be helpful and you and your buddies balked at that.

You’re demanding that Savage be made easier. That’s the same as asking for a nerf. There is already an intermediate between other level-cap content and Savage: Extremes. But even that you’re saying is too difficult. Extremes are a far cry from the days of Thordan EX and Sephirot EX. Even Nidhogg EX was more difficult than some of the EX primals ShB has released.

There is actually quite a large margin of error for clearing Savage now. Especially if you have i490 pieces. The only time you really have to concern yourself with making less mistakes is Week 1 when you’re in the new crafted gear. And even then, there are fights that can be killed with deaths. The only fight that I would really call unforgiving this tier would be E8S. Simply because of Light Rampant. But that mechanic as a whole has its own flaws.

“My buddies” and I “balk” at the implication that you’d rather just make EX/Savage more faceroll as opposed to just improving yourself. Again, all the effort you put into whining on here could be translated into bettering yourself at the content. But instead, you choose to complain and ask that it be catered to what you want.

Considering you’ve never partied with me, I can’t say much other than you shouldn’t assume how I would react to mistakes. It’s actually rare that I bother making comments in-game unless someone really makes me angry. Contrary to your presumptions, I am quite forgiving when I realize people are learning. Given that they acknowledge they are learning and don’t pull any “you don’t pay my sub” cards on me when I offer advice.

People like you make these forums practically unusable because every time someone like me or the OP brings up a valid concern you and your gestapo rush in to shame us like you're playing a game of Whack-A-Mole.

Nice comparison, comparing posters that disagree with you to the gestapo. Tell me, do you know what the gestapo was? I suggest looking it up before you call any of us that. And you say I’m one prone to flying off the handle. I didn’t just compare you to the gestapo. Of all organizations.

That aside, this isn’t an echo chamber. People are going to disagree with you and contest what you say. If you dislike that so much, then please stop using the Internet. Or form your own private forum where people cannot comment, but can only read and like your posts. There’s your echo chamber.

And you call me entitled.

You’re asking that content be catered to difficulties you prefer, and basically screw those that would prefer to see the difficulty maintained. That is indeed entitlement, my dude.

[HeulGDarian]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion:
I actually wish end game fights were harder but shorter.

i have thought about such a thing as well but at the same time , its kind of impossible cause you know they either cut down on how many mechanics there are or/and how much time you have to react to them