Praetorium - Worst Experience Ever

[GeminiReed]

Of course, they could take out MSQ roulette and not improve XP elsewhere, though that's still the better outcome so that new players can have a much better experience.

Is it? Is player acquisition for a game this age that much more important than retention? IMO neither should trump the other. There needs to be balance. Too many games flip off their veterans while chasing "untapped demographics" that just don't exist.

Do I think the MSQ roulettes would be better off as solo instances? Unequivocally. Do I think not addressing the XP or tome farming would damage retention? Very much so.

[Raltar]

It's amazing that Enix has literally bribed people with a huge chunk of exp and tomes, specifically to help the new players through these MSQ dungeons and players still refuse to do so, simply taking the bribe and leaving the new player in the dust with "lol that's Prae".

we only help with queue times, we aren't there to hold anyone's hand. If you can't watch people and figure it out, you have much bigger problems than people speed running.

I hope you guys realize they will rework these into solo instances, remove MSQ roulette, give you nothing back to replace it and that's 100% on the playerbase. MSQ roulette is not daily exp that you are entitled to.

This is what I hope happens. I hate running MSQ, but I do it for the xp. I will live a much happier life when I don't have to run that crap ever again.

[Awha]

It's amazing that Enix has literally bribed people with a huge chunk of exp and tomes, specifically to help the new players through these MSQ dungeons and players still refuse to do so, simply taking the bribe and leaving the new player in the dust with "lol that's Prae".

I hope you guys realize they will rework these into solo instances, remove MSQ roulette, give you nothing back to replace it and that's 100% on the playerbase. MSQ roulette is not daily exp that you are entitled to.

People that run MSQ for exp will not care sll thst much if it gets changed to a solo instance， they will just move on to the next exp method prob frontlines.

[Goji1639]

Don't really get why veteran players would want to get rid of the MSQ roulette. It's the most efficient way to level up and farm poetics in the entire game; it's a massive loss if it's gone. If you don't like it then level up and farm tomes with the crappier tools at your disposal. Veterans should be thanking SE and new players for the MSQ roulette as it exists.

I will admit it sucks for new players, though. Everything about the experience would be 100x better if it were a solo instance, but instead new players are forced to deal with this communities nonsense if they want to progress the story.

[TyrTry]

Don't really get why veteran players would want to get rid of the MSQ roulette. It's the most efficient way to level up and farm poetics in the entire game; it's a massive loss if it's gone. If you don't like it then level up and farm tomes with the crappier tools at your disposal. Veterans should be thanking SE and new players for the MSQ roulette as it exists.

I will admit it sucks for new players, though. Everything about the experience would be 100x better if it were a solo instance, but instead new players are forced to deal with this communities nonsense if they want to progress the story.

Come on, man. A massive loss? Nowhere near. Veteran players already know exactly where to grind tomes and levels if needed.

I definitely agree that it should be solo, but thanking that it even exist? Nah. I've got other roulettes to run if I need tomes so baldy; same with experience. It's nice, but it ain't the holy grail of roulettes there chief.

[TyrTry]

People that run MSQ for exp will not care sll thst much if it gets changed to a solo instance， they will just move on to the next exp method prob frontlines.

Exactly.

You can remove it; make it solo or whatever. People will just move on the next thing.

And they'll probably get mad about that too.

[Goji1639]

Come on, man. A massive loss? Nowhere near. Veteran players already know exactly where to grind tomes and levels if needed.

I definitely agree that it should be solo, but thanking that it even exist? Nah. I've got other roulettes to run if I need tomes so baldy; same with experience. It's nice, but it ain't the holy grail of roulettes there chief.

It's the best exp and tomes for the time invested; why wouldn't veterans appreciate it existing?

Didn't say there was no other way to get tomes or level up, but why wish away the fastest one? No benefit to doing that.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

It's the best exp and tomes for the time invested; why wouldn't veterans appreciate it existing?

Didn't say there was no other way to get tomes or level up, but why wish away the fastest one? No benefit to doing that.

Because MSQ roulette has been inherently flawed from the beginning due to the poor design of these two dungeons - a design SE has not repeated since.

I hate MSQ roulette. I usually don't even run it for EXP except when I'm in the 50~65 range on a new job, only been running it more often lately for Moogle Tomes as an addition. The only other tomes I'll ever get from it with what I use it for are Poetics, and I'm practically drowning in those just from my other daily roulettes on a level 80.

If they get rid of it I'll consider it not only a good thing, but not much of a loss on my end. They should have turned these into solo instances with NPC assistance a long, long time ago.

[TyrTry]

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Haven't seen anyone wishing it away. Mostly just newer players annoyed by the way the dungeon is run and veteran players hating that the cutscenes can no longer be skipped.

Would be a lot easier if people who didn't like it just didn't run it, but as you said, the rewards are just to delicious to let up!

So, now ya got players coming up with exploits to skip passed the cutscenes, leaving newer players even more behind and confused than before. Other players like myself just done want to touch it anymore. And others who's brains had fallen out their heads because they've run it so much.

The whole thing is a crapshow that Square hasn't done since. And that's what I'm thankful for.

I personally feel the best solution would be just to make the instances solo and move on from there.

As Awha said, people will find other ways to get their quick xp and stuff.

[Goji1639]

What would you like vets to thank Square for? Is it allowing people to play and level a job without ever learning to play it? Giving the lazy players in this game a tool to hit a job's max level without having ever used a skill above level 50? No. MSQ Roulette should never of existed in its current form and I think it's one of the primary factors as to why the playerbase's general skill level is embarrassingly low.

Nothing about leveling actually teaches you how to play your class; the max ilvl synch is so high for everything the only time dungeons are even interesting is if someone doesn't know what they're doing. I'd rather level faster then get rid of my best leveling tool just so I can act elitist.

Because MSQ roulette has been inherently flawed from the beginning due to the poor design of these two dungeons - a design SE has not repeated since.

I hate MSQ roulette. I usually don't even run it for EXP except when I'm in the 50~65 range on a new job, only been running it more often lately for Moogle Tomes as an addition. The only other tomes I'll ever get from it with what I use it for are Poetics, and I'm practically drowning in those just from my other daily roulettes on a level 80.

If they get rid of it I'll consider it not only a good thing, but not much of a loss on my end. They should have turned these into solo instances with NPC assistance a long, long time ago.

If the main reason people would like to see it change is because the way it's currently set up sucks for new players, I guess I agree. It would suck to lose it, though. It makes leveling up alts a lot faster and the content is easy enough I can do it while working.