Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

[Yue_Amariyo]

If you want to pull small then *say so*. 9 times out of 10 people will accommodate you. If you say nothing, however, and simply small pull from the bat then you've no one to blame but yourself when you get Rescue'd into another pack.

if you want big pulls say so.
rescue-ing ppl in mobs can be seen as compelling a playstyle. As you are forcing a person to do something they are not ok with.

[Kalker]

if you want big pulls say so.
rescue-ing ppl in mobs can be seen as compelling a playstyle. As you are forcing a person to do something they are not ok with.

Small pulls makes me use single target against dungeon mobs which is something I'm not ok with. Please stop compelling a playstyle.

Yes this is a joke. God the "Compelling a playstyle" argument is so dumb.

[Lucy_Pyre]

if you want big pulls say so.
rescue-ing ppl in mobs can be seen as compelling a playstyle. As you are forcing a person to do something they are not ok with.

If big pulling wasn't standard you might have a point. Unfortunately for you, large pulls are standard, and thus you have no point. When I load into a dungeon I don't even say anything. The gate falls, I hit sprint, and I pull until the game forces me to stop.

[Yue_Amariyo]

If big pulling wasn't standard you might have a point. Unfortunately for you, large pulls are standard, and thus you have no point. When I load into a dungeon I don't even say anything. The gate falls, I hit sprint, and I pull until the game forces me to stop.

doesn't matter if you considerate standard or not, you are with people who may/may not be new/ who may/may not know it is. Most of us should be adult, and act accordingly, rescuing people into more mobs is childish at best, trolling at worst. We are all capable of communication.

[Yue_Amariyo]

Small pulls makes me use single target against dungeon mobs which is something I'm not ok with. Please stop compelling a playstyle.

Yes this is a joke. God the "Compelling a playstyle" argument is so dumb.

well it is though. if you single target on pulls that is your choice, I aoe regardless because im not a childish person. Also i main;y large pull but I also communicate it, ya know because im an adult and can use my words.

[Awha]

if you want big pulls say so.
rescue-ing ppl in mobs can be seen as compelling a playstyle. As you are forcing a person to do something they are not ok with.

It can but given the nature of the cool down, one would probably only get one maybe two off before the 5 min timer kicks in before the vote to remove the tank most likely passes. Without any context in game only has heresy to go by so most likely nothing will be done.

This is one if those things we can play the communication card, but truthfully the lack of communication is what helps prevent GM's from taking action against people. Why would someone willfully put themselves in any compromising situation? Far easier to communicate via actions and hope the person gets the memo before the 5 min timer is up. If bit just vote and see what happens next.

I just do not get why people think with the way GM's handle issues in game it is worth talking to random strangers you will probably hardly ever come across again.

[Shalan]

if you want big pulls say so.
rescue-ing ppl in mobs can be seen as compelling a playstyle. As you are forcing a person to do something they are not ok with.

Why do you keep acting like anyone is talking about new players/low level content?
It has almost no relevancy in the overall conversation, and what little it has was repeatedly addressed quite a few pages back. It's like you're trying to force the vast majority of the game into such a narrow field, ignoring that higher level gear/abilities make the pulling and healing process radically easier. Small pulls in higher level dungeons and with more experience party members is not okay.

We're primarily talking about dungeon culture and etiquette as it exists in higher levels and with more experienced players. The majority of people (and I assume everyone here) already knows and gives concessions and a lot of understanding to new players and those in your situation in the lower dungeons.

[Silica-chan]

This is one if those things we can play the communication card, but truthfully the lack of communication is what helps prevent GM's from taking action against people. Why would someone willfully put themselves in any compromising situation? Far easier to communicate via actions and hope the person gets the memo before the 5 min timer is up. If bit just vote and see what happens next.

I just do not get why people think with the way GM's handle issues in game it is worth talking to random strangers you will probably hardly ever come across again.

How is asking at the start of the dungeon if everyone is fine with mass/small pulls resulting in GMs taking action?
I've done that quite alot and been in duties where others asked and we never got into an arguement or anything. People just say yes/no or big/small depending on how the question is worded. This takes like 20 seconds and everyone is on the same page afterwards.

[Yue_Amariyo]

Why do you keep acting like anyone is talking about new players/low level content?

We're primarily talking about dungeon culture and etiquette as it exists in higher levels and with more experienced players. The majority of people (and I assume everyone here) already knows and gives concessions and a lot of understanding to new players and those in your situation in the lower dungeons.

Im sorry, but you are choosing to ignore the issue, which i have brought up.

1) level does not mean experience. a level 80 can be new to the game, simply from buying a 2 jumps and doing all side quests, and having fc mates craft them lvl 80 gear.

2) this mindset is trickling down to low level dungeons. I was in fact rescued pulled, in dzmael dark hold, my first time running it as a tank. I did say I was new, and was a fresh tank.

It also shouldnt matter. You are assuming your df teammates are of a similar skill/mindset as you. That is what children and immature adults do. It takes 0 time and effort to type, hi i plan on large pulling, if we wipe my fault. This way, the other pt members know. the ff11 community had 0 issue with doing this, why is the ff14 community the one with the issue?

Also nothing i stated was low level content, you can be in an end game content and be new. Why you so against basic communication? that is part of the mmo. Using skills to force players to do what you want is being a bully plain and simple. It is acting the fool, why play like this?

Im not advocating anything out side of not being a bully, and to communicate. Do not force players to do things they are not ok with. People have various skill levels, and should be treated equally. Nothing moee nothing less, you seem to enjoy putting words in my mouth when Im not typing anything of the sort, nor am i forcing my playstyle on you or anyone in the community.

i have 0 issue with small pulls. I have 0 issue with large pulls. I try to adapt to the wants of my party, and do my best to meet them. I also communicate my skill level, as well as what my intentions are. ( if i large pull or otherwise.) I learned this from trying to large pull a dungeon with a group not ready for it yet. It was the first time i tank for a group outside of my then fc mates. we wiped 4-5 times, simple because the dps/ healer didnt/couldnt aoe, and healer panicking more then healing. It was my fault, and owned up to it and adjusted.

so question? when are you going to stop for speaking for the ff14 community? you are not the entire community. I have only spoken for myself, just in a generalized way. Everything i have posted as happen to me in one form or another.

[Yue_Amariyo]

It can but given the nature of the cool down, one would probably only get one maybe two off before the 5 min timer kicks in before the vote to remove the tank most likely passes. Without any context in game only has heresy to go by so most likely nothing will be done.

This is one if those things we can play the communication card, but truthfully the lack of communication is what helps prevent GM's from taking action against people. Why would someone willfully put themselves in any compromising situation? Far easier to communicate via actions and hope the person gets the memo before the 5 min timer is up. If bit just vote and see what happens next.

I just do not get why people think with the way GM's handle issues in game it is worth talking to random strangers you will probably hardly ever come across again.

ive ran into the same df people multiple times. Also takes 0 effort to say: hi i plan on pulling x size, if we wipe my fault. Or tank mind pulling more? Ive been recused pulled in DD, it sucked as I was new, and it resulted in a wipe.