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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    Okay, but currently that isn't the case. And all the Ascians really do is give people the means to hoist themselves on their own petard. They give them tools, not motives. And it's the latter that causes the problem.
    I agree that often the Ascians are just there pulling the strings from the shadows and letting people being people (with a bit of a push in the direction they want to) but they are also quite active too. Lets not forget that the founder of Garlemald as we know it was Emet (and probably the one behind Allagans too). They did not just give the means but they outright were the leaders there. Of course the people also ate up their talk about might makes right and all that stuff but unlike other countries they were not just behind the scenes. And being the leader of a nation is a huge influcence. Heck the actions of Garlemald influence Eorzea too with beast tribes turning to their primals.

    It will be interesting to see how the world turns out if they are gone. Yes there will still be bad acts happening because there are still selfish horrible people out there. But I wonder if any countries as a whole will turn out as bad and war mongering as Garlemald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I agree that often the Ascians are just there pulling the strings from the shadows and letting people being people (with a bit of a push in the direction they want to) but they are also quite active too. Lets not forget that the founder of Garlemald as we know it was Emet (and probably the one behind Allagans too). They did not just give the means but they outright were the leaders there. Of course the people also ate up their talk about might makes right and all that stuff but unlike other countries they were not just behind the scenes. And being the leader of a nation is a huge influcence. Heck the actions of Garlemald influence Eorzea too with beast tribes turning to their primals.

    It will be interesting to see how the world turns out if they are gone. Yes there will still be bad acts happening because there are still selfish horrible people out there. But I wonder if any countries as a whole will turn out as bad and war mongering as Garlemald.
    This is a topic that will get very complicated when getting deep into it because it is a "Who is more evil? The person who use it or the person who gave the person the means knowing they will use it?" both are evil but options will differ if this is discusses farther.

    Not to mention the topic of "if their life may have taken a different course if he or she never was given the means or push to do that evil or not by X or Y person?" However, the best I can explain it, that is a Kirei Kotomine (from fate series) scenario where he will end up a Mapo Tofu restaurant owner, still evil but evil in a lesser and different way, simply because Kiritsugu never caused the events of Fate/Zero that push him to cause Fate/Stay Night events because Kiritsugu chose to save his family over his Hero beliefs. Still that is a questionable scenario as well since we don't know if X evil or Y Evil person already had or had not the means nor was he doubting or not doubting the ability to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    This is a topic that will get very complicated when getting deep into it because it is a "Who is more evil? The person who use it or the person who gave the person the means knowing they will use it?" both are evil but options will differ if this is discusses farther.
    I dont even want to go in the direction of discussing who is more evil in that. My point was to show that Ascians are not just in the shadows but that they are actively influencing the world by being leaders of countries (and giving them the necessary knowledge to raise higher). And with such a huge influence they can shape the world even better.

    In my post I was agreeing with you that without the Ascians we might have quite a different world because they were also active in it. So who knows how Garlemald would have turned out without them directly ruling it.
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    With that 5.3 image posted in the newest Letter from the Producer, I'ma speculate that the dwarf tribe storyline has something to do with building tanks.

    That or YorHa: Dark Apocalypse is going on a zany story route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    With that 5.3 image posted in the newest Letter from the Producer, I'ma speculate that the dwarf tribe storyline has something to do with building tanks.

    That or YorHa: Dark Apocalypse is going on a zany story route.
    watch that tank become a Mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    watch that tank become a Mount.
    I mean, it probably is the max rep mount for the tribe
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    With that 5.3 image posted in the newest Letter from the Producer, I'ma speculate that the dwarf tribe storyline has something to do with building tanks.

    That or YorHa: Dark Apocalypse is going on a zany story route.
    My first thought was that it was going to be an Ironworks thing for the next part of the Werlyt/Weapon storyline, but then I remembered that we were getting that blue Ironworks mecha instead. So probably a Dwarven machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    With that 5.3 image posted in the newest Letter from the Producer, I'ma speculate that the dwarf tribe storyline has something to do with building tanks.

    That or YorHa: Dark Apocalypse is going on a zany story route.
    Or the new eureka is the Bozjan front where the fighting is taking place, would make sense to have tanks.
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    The picture shows the tank strangling a Hobgoblin, and shooting the arm off an Ariman.
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