Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

[Packetdancer]

Let. Your. Tank. Know. You. Want. BIG. PULLS.

If typing is a bit too much in the middle of combat, make a chat macro and slap onto your hotbar.

I'll give you example:
"Tank, can we do big pulls?"

"Hey Tank, you can do big pulls with me. I'll keep you safe!"

"Tank, can you try pulling more? We have good DPS here and I can handle bigger pulls, don't worry."

Heck, I'll even just run slightly ahead of the tank—not far enough to pull anything else—and hit 'Jump' a few times before running back to resume spamming Holy. (Or staying in place and spamming Gravity if on AST, because woo ranged AoE.) It usually conveys the "We can take more than this! Let's go!" as effectively as anything else. Sometimes more effectively, if the tank doesn't happen to be looking at the party chat.

I'd suggest every Healer should know how to play Tank and vice versa.
It will also help you understand the other's viewpoint.

This. This this this ohmygod this.

I have historically hated tanking. I leveled DRK to 80 anyway (and found I sort of enjoyed it this time...?) because I wanted to do the job questline, and I found it definitely made me more aware of certain things while playing healer. I'm going to level the other tanks as well in my alt-job rotation, not just because I want the amaro (though I do want the amaro), but also because I think it'd be useful to be able to see things from PLD, WAR, and GNB viewpoints for tanking as well as DRK.

[Gemina]

See the problem is this. You're assuming people who get rescued don't know the mechanics, just because you use Rescue properly.
The problem is when people know the mechanics and they get rescued by someone who doesn't, or who just wants to troll. Actually, if you don't know the mechanics you can't even complain about a wrong rescue because you don't know it's wrong.
Why people who do mechanics right and are in no situation to need an appropriate Rescue have a toggle to stop trolls and ignorant sprouts?

Is it not fair to also say you are assuming a healer who uses rescue is a troll? Why are you so cynical and incredulous towards the communities healers?

And you're right to ask about players needing a toggle. They don't. Several players keep mentioning all these healer trolls and noobs like it's some sort of epedimic. Where are they all at? I play content as DPS and tank as well and have yet to encounter all these troll healers. I have yet to be killed by rescue, but I've been killed twice to shirk. Why aren't we talking about that? And those are just the times it resulted in a ko. Many more times the healer ends up having to burn up all their CDs keeping me alive because noob tanks rather shirk me than keep their tank stance active when adds show up.

The agenda I get the impression that is being pushed doesn't have anything to do with mechanics or a rescue success rate. Healers could have a 100% success rate with this skill and the lot of you will still frown on it. They simply don't like healers having this kind of power over their movements and positioning. Even if I am wrong, at least I'm trying to understand where you guys are coming from. How many of you can say the same in regards to healers who enjoy and have incorporated this skill into their gameplay. Do you even care at all how they feel if this skill was deleted?

Enlighten me.

[ctcc42]

You can take my rescue when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

Seriously, rescue is not just for trolling, but when your trying to use it helpfully you have very little time to make the decision, which can lead to mistakes.

The trick is to work out who is going to stand in bad before the bad appears, and use it without waiting to see if they actually do try and get out of bad. If you take the time to work out if the party member is going to move on their own, then its going to go off too late.

So lets say your in copied factory. Your fighting the tower boss, and you see the guy that said they were new on the wrong half of the arena before marx smash goes down. You could type out a message for them to move their butt. You could assume they watched a video guide and will move on their own. Or you could just rescue them which takes less time then typing and doesnt leave their life to chance.

Or maybe your running Baelsar's wall. The tank isnt new, but has been sloppy the first two times the boss did his jump. Why wouldnt you rescue him on the third go?

Or maybe your running xelphatol, and the 2nd boss is charging his knockback. The bard doesn't have a wall behind him... Or maybe your running whorleater extreme. The party has wiped twice already because your co-heeler takes a dive after every leviathan splash...

Point is. If you pay attention you can work out who will need the rescue before they actually do. If you can do that, then rescue is a grate tool and should be used. If on the other hand you try and use rescue after the AoE marker has already gone up and you don't immediately target the right person, then your rescue is more likely then not to be too late, so it will seem like a trash skill. But honestly it isn't. Its awsome, just use it right.

[Packetdancer]

I have yet to be killed by rescue, but I've been killed twice to shirk. Why aren't we talking about that? And those are just the times it resulted in a ko. Many more times the healer ends up having to burn up all their CDs keeping me alive because noob tanks rather shirk me than keep their tank stance active when adds show up.

To be fair, while I've also seen Shirk abuse/trolling more often than Rescue abuse/trolling... unless you're looking in the combat log after the fact or happen to see the ability go off, it's very easy for people to miss Shirk trolling and just assume they accidentally somehow ripped aggro off of the tank. It is very, very hard to mistake a Rescue for anything else.

[Canadane]

Maybe this was the intended use all along, to get tanks used to pulling more.

[Bright-Flower]

The few times I've tried to use rescue I've just accidentally ennoyed people. "Oh no that black mage is going to get knocked off the boss arena because he won't leave his leylines. No wait he was fine he had surecast up.' And situations like that. So I just don't use it anymore when I heal. Unless I'm queuing with a friend and just messing them or something.

[Gemina]

The few times I've tried to use rescue I've just accidentally ennoyed people. "Oh no that black mage is going to get knocked off the boss arena because he won't leave his leylines. No wait he was fine he had surecast up.' And situations like that. So I just don't use it anymore when I heal. Unless I'm queuing with a friend and just messing them or something.

In a recent copied factory run, against the third boss I noticed a BLM was in the path of Max Smash and I was about to rescue her. I stopped when I noticed her ley lines were strategically placed so she could side step the AoE no matter which arm was coming without leaving the ley lines telegraph.

Had I used it, no doubt this would have annoyed the BLM who already had the mechanic handled. However, I could also see how an unaware healer would have pulled the trigger on rescue. Especially if they don't know anything about how that job plays. I have a feeling that these type of situations are happening far more than some troll healer out there misusing rescue just to ruin everyone's day. The healer means well, while the BLM would likely be one of the ones here expressing how they are trolled by healers.

I wouldnt let it stop you from using it. There will be times where you will unquestionably know that you could have rescued a player had you not hesitated with your finger on the trigger. It is one of the last things we have left that keeps healing engaging and thought provoking.

[TheRealQuah]

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying isn't necessarily what the "right" thing to do is.

For instance, say someone walks up to you and punches you in the face. Asking why he did that and attempting to talk it out is the mature way to handle it; I'm just saying I wouldn't fault you for punching him back, even if it makes the situation worse. He started a fight with you, and I'm not one of those people who believes retaliating makes you "just as bad as he is." Retaliating is a natural response to being provoked.

What a pathetic and awful analogy.

Your lack of self awareness in every post you make is astounding. Are you actually a child because that would explain a lot.

What you don't understand is that you doing piddly pulls is wasting the time of 3 other people, you are the one being inconsiderate, not the healer. Personally I wouldn't rescue you, I'd just kick you.

Rescuing someone into mobs is not a reportable offence. Although deliberately letting someone die definitely is. It's also very childish.

None of this should be an issue anyway, because dungeons are the most casual content in the game, all designed to do double pulls with everyone wearing min ilvl, so if you were playing properly, there wouldn't be any rescue issues.

[Goji1639]

What a pathetic and awful analogy.

Your lack of self awareness in every post you make is astounding. Are you actually a child because that would explain a lot.

What you don't understand is that you doing piddly pulls is wasting the time of 3 other people, you are the one being inconsiderate, not the healer. Personally I wouldn't rescue you, I'd just kick you.

Rescuing someone into mobs is not a reportable offence. Although deliberately letting someone die definitely is. It's also very childish.

None of this should be an issue anyway, because dungeons are the most casual content in the game, all designed to do double pulls with everyone wearing min ilvl, so if you were playing properly, there wouldn't be any rescue issues.

Using Rescue to force the tank to pull at the pace you want isn't it's intended use, and is every bit as exploitative as choosing not to save someone that ran ahead of you and pulled a bunch of crap.

If I was pulling slow and you vote kicked me i would actually have no problem with that. Sometimes people's play-styles just don't mesh, and to vote kick the majority has to sign off. Deciding you don't want to play with me, and deciding you want to force me to play a specific way by exploiting a poorly designed skill, are 2 different things.

I'm really not sure why you people are so dead set against simply asking for big pulls at the beginning of the run, though.

[ErryK]

I'm really not sure why you people are so dead set against simply asking for big pulls at the beginning of the run, though.

Because ever since reaching level 50, big pulls have been the rule, and small pulls have been the exception.