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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    It does can be used for trolling. At the release of the skill, here on the forum, some players were complaining of Rescue already. And I've experienced it myself, Rescue used just to stop my cast and the healer laughing out of loud on the chatbox he failed his troll.
    You have three to seven other players, and the ability is on a 120sec CD. If I was a troll, I would be saying this ability sucks to troll with.

    It is not my intention to invalidate the experiences other players have had with the healers in their groups, but what I can tell you is that any healer who cares about getting a clear isn't going to recklessly use up what is quite honestly a true 'oh crap' button. What I will say is that your perspective needs to expand beyond around just you, because, "Stoopid healer messing up muh deeps!" isn't going to carry enough merit to warrant deleting this skill from the game.

    I for one can say I have prevented both player KOs and full on wipes with this skill. I've also had a lot of botched attempts (most of which the player was dead anyway, and my hesitation to use rescue ultimately had them die when I could have saved them). This skill can literally define how aware a healer is of any particular encounter, and in prog parties it can be used to cheese some mechanics (something I don't condone, but understand).

    In short, the benefit far outweighs whatever detrimental troll behaviour that is happening out there. Report healers who are misusing the ability. Even if you feel this futile, it still sends the message to the healer and everyone in the group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
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    Why on earth are people always missinterpreting?

    I wrote : It does can

    I didn't wrote : It always is.

    If you read carefully, I even started by "at the release".

    Because YOU don't use it for trolling doesn't mean it never happens/happened.

    Even here in this thread, few heals confirm it can be used for trolling and it IS used for trolling (when they play with their FCs mates BUT they confirm it does can be).
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    Last edited by Eldevern; 06-15-2020 at 11:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    Why on earth are people always missinterpreting?

    I wrote : It does can

    I didn't wrote : It always is.

    If you read carefully, I even started by "at the release".

    Because YOU don't use it for trolling doesn't mean it never happens/happened.

    Even here in this thread, few heals confirm it can be used for trolling and it IS used for trolling (when they play with their FCs mates BUT they confirm it does can be).
    If healers are rescuing a player often and this happens to the player in multiple different groups in multiple different runs, it's likely that there's clearly something the player is not aware of in the game that all these other healers are aware of. Rescue being on a 120 cooldown isn't spammable and requires a conscious planned effort due to its slow animation. If it the skill was used to troll, report those players for misusing the skill, but the skill itself is not at fault because it doesn't negate the fact that it can be used to save a player.

    The only times I've seen healers misuse rescue is when you piss them off or intentionally troll them. Don't piss off your healers. They are not healbots who will adjust to your every whim - they're players.

    If they take away RDM's backflips since they backflip over the stage, or BLM's Leylines/between the lines, Aetherial Manipulation to encourage BLM to start dodging mechanics and any other job with a disposition, I'll be fine if they took away healer's rescue.

    Sounds like a terrible idea? That's because it is. Rescue can be very useful when used correctly, but so can RDM's backflips to dodge mechanics. However, just because they can cause deaths, doesn't mean their usage should be taken away. The same thing applies here. I've seen way more good on rescue than bad exactly because of how many people who just refuse to do mechanics or stand in AoE Heals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldevern View Post
    Why on earth are people always missinterpreting?

    I wrote : It does can

    I didn't wrote : It always is.

    If you read carefully, I even started by "at the release".

    Because YOU don't use it for trolling doesn't mean it never happens/happened.

    Even here in this thread, few heals confirm it can be used for trolling and it IS used for trolling (when they play with their FCs mates BUT they confirm it does can be).
    We can dily dally around always vs can be if we don't want to get anywhere. But I think ultimately where we are getting at is this `trolling` issue is made bigger than it actually is.

    I can think of gripes for each respective role in the party that "ruin" my experience. Things I have no control over. Tanks have shirked me as both healer and DPS. SMN mains have put condescending remarks in their raise macros. At any given time, a player can use their assignment to deliberately wipe the raid.

    These instances of "trolling" as you call it is part of the memo world. It doesn't excuse this behavior and that's why there are rules against it whether or not you feel they are enforced. If players want rescue deleted or some weird option that prevents it, then we start this road where the devs have to coddle every little request instead of relying on players to be freaking responsible. It is utterly ridiculous. Again, the ability is on a 120s CD. If the healer misuses it on you, just move on.
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