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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    Seriously though, has it ever been confirmed that they are going for having equal amount of jobs for each category? Cause I always thought they were going for ideal party comp of 2 melee and 2 ranged, meaning that melee is in shortage right now (4melee and 6 ranged). It would also make sense with the fact that melee has 3 different gear types. Like I've said in prev post how I see it they're going to add 1 or 2 more melees.

    Melee, often being the poster job, generally seem more popular too. Not right now probably but I think definitely if they add some missing archetypes (Berserker type would be huge).
    As said, they added Dancer as Ranged because they group jobs based on those five roles. Personally I feel like we should have Melee Caster to balance the melee and ranged disparity a bit, but is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    As said, they added Dancer as Ranged because they group jobs based on those five roles. Personally I feel like we should have Melee Caster to balance the melee and ranged disparity a bit, but is what it is.
    Holy Knight would be amazing for it.
    Yes, Paladin/Red Mage fills that archetype but... That would be cool.
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Holy Knight would be amazing for it.
    Yes, Paladin/Red Mage fills that archetype but... That would be cool.
    I wouldn't think of Holy Knight personally, but honestly it's just too far from the point where we could even discuss a hypothetical Melee Caster to see how it would work, Red Mage would have been a perfect fit for that role for instance. If we had six roles instead of five it would probably have been pretty different from where it currently is after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    I wouldn't think of Holy Knight personally, but honestly it's just too far from the point where we could even discuss a hypothetical Melee Caster to see how it would work, Red Mage would have been a perfect fit for that role for instance. If we had six roles instead of five it would probably have been pretty different from where it currently is after all.
    I can see them just go with 4 jobs per role (so one healer, one physical ranged and one caster to be added). DPS wise, since Shadowbringers it's quite common to see triple ranged and one melee DPS. I'd rather have them go in that direction of flexibility to fill those 4 DPS spots rather than have 4 distinct subroles in DPS, with different jobs competing for these spots (especially with FFXIV's history of shaky balance).
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  5. #185
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    I'd expect Ranged DPS to come in as a single job in the expansion after this one. Maybe. Honestly it's hard to tell. If we had an idea of their time frame for how much longer they intend to go it would be easier to predict. As they have finished off races (barring hopefully adding the other races, gender lock is extremely bad), jobs are likely going to finish soon as well.
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    well if they going for garlemald theme expansion, i expect some "high tech" looking class.

    mechanic maybe? (cid), long range class but you build a defense system like turret, traps or "weaponized flying kettle"
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    Last edited by gumas; 06-06-2020 at 04:59 PM.

  7. #187
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    If we get even closer to Garlemald proper, Chemist as some kind of magitek-based healer could be likely (but I think it could also work as some kind of Thavnairian salvemaker, too, there are a few ways Chemist can be interpreted to fit well into FFXIV). It feels doubtful we'll get Geomancer at all because I think there was a lot of emphasis on it as "this is just an Eastern hybrid of conjury with principles of astromancy".

    Did anything ever happen with that Onmyouji/Mystic job concept I recall being shelved to do SAM/RDM as fan-demanded jobs instead? That could be a possible caster DPS if they bring it back.
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  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaerisKlyne View Post
    If we get even closer to Garlemald proper, Chemist as some kind of magitek-based healer could be likely (but I think it could also work as some kind of Thavnairian salvemaker, too, there are a few ways Chemist can be interpreted to fit well into FFXIV). It feels doubtful we'll get Geomancer at all because I think there was a lot of emphasis on it as "this is just an Eastern hybrid of conjury with principles of astromancy".

    Did anything ever happen with that Onmyouji/Mystic job concept I recall being shelved to do SAM/RDM as fan-demanded jobs instead? That could be a possible caster DPS if they bring it back.
    Speaking of Garlemald and some take on Chemist, the Bozjan Resistance is being led by a Garlean Bartle Medic.

    And from the looks of things these days the Ony class got wrapped up into the Geomancer lore.
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  9. #189
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaerisKlyne View Post
    If we get even closer to Garlemald proper, Chemist as some kind of magitek-based healer could be likely (but I think it could also work as some kind of Thavnairian salvemaker, too, there are a few ways Chemist can be interpreted to fit well into FFXIV). It feels doubtful we'll get Geomancer at all because I think there was a lot of emphasis on it as "this is just an Eastern hybrid of conjury with principles of astromancy".

    Did anything ever happen with that Onmyouji/Mystic job concept I recall being shelved to do SAM/RDM as fan-demanded jobs instead? That could be a possible caster DPS if they bring it back.
    I'm on the same page.

    I reckon something to do with Chemist for a healer job, and Geomancer (by way of amalgamating Yanxia Geomancy and some Onmyoji concepts) as a caster DPS.

    I can see Geomancer working with ground based AoE effects (think Doton, Sacred Soil etc) as a support caster DPS, with a similar level of rDPS to Bard.
    Bundle in some channelled 'spells' and a unique rotation and there's enough there for a caster that works differently to the other three.

    [Also Beast Tamer as a physical ranged limited job wielding a Whip, but let's not go too far down that road right now...]
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  10. #190
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I'm on the same page.

    I reckon something to do with Chemist for a healer job, and Geomancer (by way of amalgamating Yanxia Geomancy and some Onmyoji concepts) as a caster DPS.

    I can see Geomancer working with ground based AoE effects (think Doton, Sacred Soil etc) as a support caster DPS, with a similar level of rDPS to Bard.
    Bundle in some channelled 'spells' and a unique rotation and there's enough there for a caster that works differently to the other three.

    [Also Beast Tamer as a physical ranged limited job wielding a Whip, but let's not go too far down that road right now...]
    Hey I wouldn’t say Beastmaster is too far down the road! I’d expect a limited job this expansion and Beastmaster is brought up by name in the Bozja story (once you dig through a few dialogue options).
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