Punish MSQ Cutscene Skippers

[TheMightyMollusk]

can we stop pretending theres newbies left and right in these roulettes? i guarantee you not even 50% of them have new player bonus

I see the new player bonus at least three out of five times I run the roulette. We can throw anecdotal stats at each other all day, but none of us actually has real evidence.

[Bellsong]

can we stop pretending theres newbies left and right in these roulettes? i guarantee you not even 50% of them have new player bonus

also if the only issue of skipping is new players, why get mad when people skip it when theres no new players anyway

Can we stop pretending there's not newbies left and right in these roulettes? I guarantee you at least 50% of them have the new player bonus!

See? I can make up statistics from personal anecdotes too lol

On a personal note, it did matter to me at least that I didn't get to be a part of the fights. I ran the dungeon before the forced cutscenes were a thing and I was pretty disheartened when before I could even finish the first scene half the dungeon was dead, I was really getting into the story at the time and that damn near ruined it for me, I just started skipping too so I could actually play the game, but eventually got so annoyed and disheartened I just followed the group and did nothing, got a few people angry but I just didn't care.
If they didn't care about my experience of the dungeon, why would I care about theirs? I was with a friend as well and we both sorta agreed to just let them do as they pleased.

What makes it worse is that horrible grind to HW right after those dungeons, it was like a double gut punch.

The roulette is painfully obviously intended to be played in a way to benefit the new players doing it first and the people who just want EXP and tomes second, I really do hope SE strongly enforces the spirit of the roulette and comes down hard on people skipping cutscenes, I'd even be down for them to lock players out of the bosses till all players are out of cutscenes.
In a perfect world though the dungeon is filled with NPC partners so a player can solo it as they please to really enjoy the story at their own pace rather than rolling the dice with disruptive players.

[AduroT]

Oh, Hildibrand. The final trial of the ARR series. I got locked out of the fight because I watched the prefight cutscene and there was no teleport to the arena button. So yeah, missing that stuff sucks.

[Neoom]

And again to remind people who don't care about new players; the fight might be easy for you, you might have seen it hundreds of times, you might have done savage or extremes. But none of the new players know better,they don't know how easy it actually is, most are still learning the game and their job. I'm not saying the fights are hard, no they are easy and fast, but new players wont know that. They just want to experience the story and be part of the duty. So why is it so hard to let the new player have their first time there to be normal no skipping? Even if it's just one single new player, they still have their right to have full experience.

[Awha]

Clearly it bothers some players or SE wouldn't have resorted to making the cutscenes in those 2 dungeons unskippable.

Just about every fight at lower levels is a joke to players who have done those fights over and over. That doesn't mean that new players should be denied the chance to experience some form of those fights even if it's not the same experience you would get at minimum ilvl. The dungeons exist for progressing the MSQ story, not for grinding XP and poetics.

If you want to skip the cutscenes, don't queue for Castrum or Praetorium. Don't queue for MSQ roulette. There, you've completely avoided the cutscenes so you can spend that time doing other things you want to be doing.

Personally I skip cut scenes each time I run MSQ for the daily bonus and sure I get a few people who complain but more often I get people that join and we blaze through it.

I am starting to think those bothered by it are simply complaining for the sake or complaining.

[Baxcel]

Oh, Hildibrand. The final trial of the ARR series. I got locked out of the fight because I watched the prefight cutscene and there was no teleport to the arena button. So yeah, missing that stuff sucks.

This is the reason ill post in chat during those fight.. something like "We have a new player, please allow them to view cutscene " and then I'll sit down outside tge boss door to wait.. it generally gets people to wait as I'm a tank main.. but there's some who just wont.. and I'm sorry for the new players who must miss fights or cutscenes.

Back when I was new I missed Castrum and Prea due to there being no forced cutscenes.. the same with Binding Coil.. never gotten to fight Twintainia yet..

[Tsaranoga]

Personally I skip cut scenes each time I run MSQ for the daily bonus and sure I get a few people who complain but more often I get people that join and we blaze through it.

I am starting to think those bothered by it are simply complaining for the sake or complaining.

Well tell me, if people start skipping the cutscenes and obviously there is no point in me being in the dungeon and especially no point in joining the boss fight, why do i get kicked if i tell them i'm taking a break? After all there is no point in joining the boss if it has 20-30% health left. I could spend that time doing what everyone else is doing in them anyway which is watching videos, reading a book or playing another game or something. I really want to know so please, tell me. If you just want to hurry through it, then it shouldn't matter at all. A few seconds less is not much after all.

[ShariusTC]

Does skipping cut scenes really bother people? I mean the fights are a joke, groups already mostly ignore mechanics everything is a burn the boss down.

Well, that does bother some SJW, because that their job to complaint about stuff that they think it will bother some imagination "newbie"

Well tell me, if people start skipping the cutscenes and obviously there is no point in me being in the dungeon and especially no point in joining the boss fight, why do i get kicked if i tell them i'm taking a break? After all there is no point in joining the boss if it has 20-30% health left. I could spend that time doing what everyone else is doing in them anyway which is watching videos, reading a book or playing another game or something. I really want to know so please, tell me. If you just want to hurry through it, then it shouldn't matter at all. A few seconds less is not much after all.

because noone like a leecher

[Awha]

Well tell me, if people start skipping the cutscenes and obviously there is no point in me being in the dungeon and especially no point in joining the boss fight, why do i get kicked if i tell them i'm taking a break? After all there is no point in joining the boss if it has 20-30% health left. I could spend that time doing what everyone else is doing in them anyway which is watching videos, reading a book or playing another game or something. I really want to know so please, tell me. If you just want to hurry through it, then it shouldn't matter at all. A few seconds less is not much after all.

Being a leech is far different from skipping cut scenes to take part in fights quicker.

[Avidria]

And again to remind people who don't care about new players; the fight might be easy for you, you might have seen it hundreds of times, you might have done savage or extremes. But none of the new players know better,they don't know how easy it actually is, most are still learning the game and their job. I'm not saying the fights are hard, no they are easy and fast, but new players wont know that. They just want to experience the story and be part of the duty. So why is it so hard to let the new player have their first time there to be normal no skipping? Even if it's just one single new player, they still have their right to have full experience.

You know honestly I think that's a pretty good argument to make them solo instances if anything... because those fights are so stupid faceroll easy that I'd be questioning what kinda content to expect going forward.

Frankly those dungeons are so godawful horribly designed that if I didn't know SE never did anything so, to be blunt, flat out stupid again, I might not have even bothered to buy Heavensward. Because I was in the middle of Castrum when I decided to, and it was definitely not because of that trash heap of a dungeon.

And I mean to be clear, I was one of those newbies who got left behind, and ended up skipping half the cutscenes because the group kept running off ahead, and I spent most of Prae running around legitimately lost because I had no idea where anyone went and didn't know how to find them on the map. It was awful. It was stupid. I'm glad it's mostly fixed.

At any rate, a handful of people skipping cutscenes isn't even close to as bad as how it used to be, and I mean personally I haven't even seen someone skip in weeks. It's already reportable even though I sure wouldn't bother to, so I don't think any changes are needed... unless they do in fact turn them into solo/trust dungeons. Frankly I'd be sad to see the exp go, but glad to see a better new player experience and an end to this endless debate.