Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Melichoir]

The neck is really long on all the races, and it looks really weird at certain angles. Elezen it's just pronounced with their tiny heads and broad shoulders.

Body proportions are all things that are relative to one another. So yeah, it would look worse on Elezen cause of how the proportions relate to one another compared to to other races. Head size could remain the exact same, and just shortening the torso and elongating the legs would resolve a lot of the visual complaints people have. Proportions matter in design, and they seemed to not have done that for the ingame models. Its a pity.

Ah well, this is all a side topic anyways.

if it was up to me I would preferer a upgrade in character creation (more hair. beard, etc) them develop a limited-job like blue mage, I'm sure a lot of people in the community feel the way I do, There is only one way to measure how to prioritize content and that is ask the community for feedback.

Honestly why not both. While they probably cant do to much with the character editor in regards to things like body sizes and shapes and manipulating every little aspect, there is a huge empty space for more face options, more body definition options, tattoos, scars on body and face, hell even having the ability to select some different colors for small clothes and the like.

I personally expect that they either fix horthgar/viera and give us the offsexes OR drastically improve the customization by giving us more facial options and variety. Like there is very little reason why you cant have certain facial options that are available on one face not be available on another. Things like that should change.

[TeraRamis]

Youre kinda proving my point? You scaled it to headsize yes? Look at Torso lenghts, Limb Lengths, Etc. They are not the same, and no it's not just "a pose thing". The torso and limb differences generate different proportions which can ruin the design aesthetics. Check it out:



Both are what...Roughly 9 headlengths, though the concept is a touch shorter. Lets say that is pose differences. Fine.

Check now the Torso length comparisons. This is from the pit of the clavicle to the crotch. They end in different spots, with the in game being longer. That change has a knock on effect. Check where another Torso length ends - On the concept art, roughly at the knees but in game its midway down the shins. In concept art, tall elegant characters tend to actually follow the left a lot more closely, choosing to elongate the legs to give height. In reality, the in game model is a bit more accurate to real life - Torsos length roughly ends around mid to lower shin, depending how tall or stocky the character is.

What I suspect, honestly, is the elezen model is a modified model of the Hyur (which would make sense from a production stand point). Thats why the proportions arent the same between the concept and final. Most people I feel frankly would agree that aesthetically the concept designs proportions are nicer. They feel more balanced. The in game model feels off. Part of the reason perhaps the neck feels so long on elezen is that compared to the torso and head sizes, it feels off.

God, it's like day and night. To the left? Believable fantasy elf. To the right? Deranged long-necked space alien.

[Awha]

You do have a good point, but we also have to considerer that investment in character development is not waste of money, sell itens in the store like fantasia will make a tons of money, if nerd behide a computer can make a decent mod for customization a company can do it too, I work with IT a long time and I do know what I'm talking about, the only diference is how much the company is willing to do it or not. , if it was up to me I would preferer a upgrade in character creation (more hair. beard, etc) them develop a limited-job like blue mage, I'm sure a lot of people in the community feel the way I do, There is only one way to measure how to prioritize content and that is ask the community for feedback.

For us as players it may seem like a good investment, but we do not make the choices. They go based off the data they have, and if SE gives them a budget they have to work within that budget end of story. Character development is not cheap, easy, or quick. Based off their statement regarding this may be the last new playable race, I think it is safe to assume that their data does not show that it is a good investment of time or resources with the budget they were given. For us it may not be a waste, but for those handling the budget it may seem like a waste, and to a degree I think it is safe to assume that based off their stance of maybe no other playable races. It is easy as a fan and costumer to voice how we would spend money, but a lot goes into managing a budget and difficult choices have to me made. I am sure they have a giant list of features they would love to add to the game, that the players would enjoy. It is just not that easy.

While I am not SE, from my perspective dealing with large projects I would never base my business choices solely off the vocal majority, I would also go based off our data we have collected, and would weigh that data from more then what the "vocal" community wants. That works if your aim is towards an enthusiast market, but I do not think that is SE's goal with FFXIV. I am going to make a large assumption but my guess their data shows that majority do not really care all that much about character creator and for most they create their character and sort of forget about it. Maybe outside hair styles and glamour, many may not alter appearance all that much or even switch to a new race when they are released. I am sure people do, but they properly felt that money would be better spent elsewhere.

In the real world when it comes to running large projects sacrifices have to be made. They are not fun choices to make, but they have to be made.

[zeylos]

For us as players it may seem like a good investment, but we do not make the choices. They go based off the data they have, and if SE gives them a budget they have to work within that budget end of story. Character development is not cheap, easy, or quick. Based off their statement regarding this may be the last new playable race, I think it is safe to assume that their data does not show that it is a good investment of time or resources with the budget they were given. For us it may not be a waste, but for those handling the budget it may seem like a waste, and to a degree I think it is safe to assume that based off their stance of maybe no other playable races. It is easy as a fan and costumer to voice how we would spend money, but a lot goes into managing a budget and difficult choices have to me made. I am sure they have a giant list of features they would love to add to the game, that the players would enjoy. It is just not that easy.

Imo, Male Viera and Female Hrotgar > PvP, Ultimates, A couple glamour sets etc

[SturmChurro]

Imo, Male Viera and Female Hrotgar > PvP, Ultimates, A couple glamour sets etc

I'd definitely rather have overhauled PvP (that was good) and good new glamour than male viera and female hrothgar.

[Awha]

Imo, Male Viera and Female Hrotgar > PvP, Ultimates, A couple glamour sets etc

You are also properly part of the vocal minority. I would like for a fat body type, and for me that is worth more then any other form of content but I know in the grand scheme that it would simply be a bleep and would not be the best use of time or resources. This is already feels like a budget expansion, and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that SE properly mandates a certain amount of FFXIV's money goes towards marketing and promotions, which prob does not leave Yoishi-P as much as he would like to work on the game itself.

Though I would rather have three ultimate fights per expansion over the missing genders. You see how this sort of works? Cannot go based off the vocal part of the community wants, have to go based off projects, trends, and data they have within house. May not be a fun opinion, but if the playable races put that much strain on development and limited other forms of content like dungeons, fully fleshing out the fishing boat, pvp chances, more ultimate, more blue mage content etc . . . I rather they never add another playable race.

[zeylos]

You are also properly part of the vocal minority. I would like for a fat body type, and for me that is worth more then any other form of content but I know in the grand scheme that it would simply be a bleep and would not be the best use of time or resources. This is already feels like a budget expansion, and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that SE properly mandates a certain amount of FFXIV's money goes towards marketing and promotions, which prob does not leave Yoishi-P as much as he would like to work on the game itself.

Though I would rather have three ultimate fights per expansion over the missing genders. You see how this sort of works? Cannot go based off the vocal part of the community wants, have to go based off projects, trends, and data they have within house. May not be a fun opinion, but if the playable races put that much strain on development and limited other forms of content like dungeons, fully fleshing out the fishing boat, pvp chances, more ultimate, more blue mage content etc . . . I rather they never add another playable race.

That's just my opinion and my preferences, not how things should necessarily go. After all, very type of player would like their desired content to be prioritized

[TheMightyMollusk]

After all, very type of player would like their desired content to be prioritized

:::quietly waiting for Cid/Nero to be made official:::

Hm?

[Awha]

That's just my opinion and my preferences, not how things should necessarily go. After all, very type of player would like their desired content to be prioritized

What I am trying to say is our own personal opinion has very little impact on the games direction. We can hope, pray, try to rationalize but all in all the budget is all that matters. In the grand scheme if what Yoshi P is being honest with how much work goes into a player race and the strain in causes on the dev team. The chances of the missing genders being added does not seem very likely especially after the delay in production maybe caused by covid.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'd definitely rather have overhauled PvP (that was good) and good new glamour than male viera and female hrothgar.

I second this Hardcore. Pvp is abysmal, its not fun even in small doses. Its just become 'get my dam tomes and get out.' This feels like a chore, and it makes me sad.
But, I for the life of me cant think of how they could make it fun and get more participants in The Feast.
Plus C'mon......people love Glamour...we always need more Glamour :3