Punish MSQ Cutscene Skippers

[EtherRose]

So let's go over some things here.

1. Apparently cut-scene skipping wastes people's time.
2. It's an "Exploit".
3. It ruins the game.

Ok, so let's dive into this a little more and elaborate.

1. No, it doesn't waste time. Clearing a dungeon faster saves time. Don't know how this isn't common sense.
2. An exploit is something you do to "Benefit" in an unfair way particularly for that person. Seeing as how this so called "Exploit" clears the dungeon faster for "everybody" and everyone still get's their 200 tomes, i don't see this as an exploit. SE may, but in all technicality, not really. Also, if this particular problem was addressed by SE in an article or live letter stating that it is a bannable offense, please link it. I mean, you can't add a auto-skip cut-scene option in the options then complain about only MSQ cut-scenes being skipped by simply logging out. They made it 200 tomes because of the cut-scenes. If they made cut-scenes skippable and made it 100 tomes again, i wouldn't care.
3. It ruins the game how so? It doesn't. It ruins a new players experience of the game. Not the game itself.

In conclusion, this "Exploit" should not be used in order to respect the new players experience of the game. However, for veteran players or players in general who have cleared multiple times, you really shouldn't be complaining. You've watched the cut-scenes thousands of times and TBH, you really shouldn't care at all unless you are a white night. If you really wan't to watch those cut-scenes so badly every time, go watch them on youtube or in the inn.

I'm not encouraging people to skip. I just don't see it as a big issue as other people claim it to be. And i definitely don't see it as a "Exploit". A prime example of an actual exploit is something like item duping. The latter will disagree, but hey, just my opinion.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

The problem with reporting someone who is exploiting is that you can't during cutscene or battle, so if they are speed running it, you basically have to look them up using the Social menu unless they typed something in chat or you remember their name verbatim.

A fix for this would be to let fully pre-formed parties skip cutscenes. It wouldn't take that much from the pool since very few people will wait for a 8 man party finder to fill (FCs already do everything with preformed parties anyway whenever possible) and it would make less incentive to use the exploit when there's already a legitimate work-around. (Plus encouraging people to use uue PF for its intended purpose instead of an ad board). They could also make it so that returners and sprouts in the party would activate the no-cutscene skip but I can see that leading to a lot of unscrupulous kicks.

At this point, you can't even skip cutscenes if you do it unsynced which is really silly when you think about it. It been fun getting some of our returning members and their alts throught either of those duties. :\

[Awha]

No, it is wrong. There is no grey area here. The game developers have designed it to run a certain way. You are using an exploit to get by that. Stop lying and saying that it is about helping people by making it faster. The only one you care about is how long it takes YOU to get your reward.

Well I mean if people skip and I skip I am helping people by making it go faster. Though let us look at it this way. Say if SE makes it so cut scenes cannot be skipped no matter what. People like we have other options to get tomes and exp, but what about those that need to clear that dungeon? Cannot say for certain but can we say for certain the queue times would not increase thus objectively leading to a negative impact on new players because they would have to wait longer in queue?

Those that use it for exp or tomes can move on to something else, but those who need it cannot. It is wrong by your standards but not mine.

[GeminiReed]

The problem with reporting someone who is exploiting is that you can't during cutscene or battle, so if they are speed running it, you basically have to look them up using the Social menu unless they typed something in chat or you remember their name verbatim.

Social -> Contacts -> Handy list of the people you ran the most recent instances with including job and instance.

[Fland]

Well I mean if people skip and I skip I am helping people by making it go faster. Though let us look at it this way. Say if SE makes it so cut scenes cannot be skipped no matter what. People like we have other options to get tomes and exp, but what about those that need to clear that dungeon? Cannot say for certain but can we say for certain the queue times would not increase thus objectively leading to a negative impact on new players because they would have to wait longer in queue?

Those that use it for exp or tomes can move on to something else, but those who need it cannot. It is wrong by your standards but not mine.

The targeted veteran players from the beginning are the ones who actually want to spend extra time for extra tomes and exp. Those players are the ones SE is expecting to help the new players queue. If SE made it so it can't be exploited no matter what, such as putting barrier around players or entrance to boss arena during CS watching, then those players won't be affected because they do want to spend extra time (while watching netflix or whatever). They will still queue and new players can still clear them.

[Awha]

The targeted veteran players from the beginning are the ones who actually want to spend extra time for extra tomes and exp. Those players are the ones SE is expecting to help the new players queue. If SE made it so it can't be exploited no matter what, such as putting barrier around players or entrance to boss arena during CS watching, then those players won't be affected because they do want to spend extra time (while watching netflix or whatever). They will still queue and new players can still clear them.

That may be the, but also may not. If I was a new player I would not want to risk having longer queue times. Dealt with long queue times in TOR it was painful. Though as I mentioned I cannot say for certain if queue times would ne negatively impacted or not just something I think that should be considered.

All I can do is go based off my own personal experience and not sure if it is because I initiate but normally I end up in groups where 3 or 4 others also end up skipping, sometimes even 6.

In the end I would be okay if they made CS unskippable since I am personally curious on what impact it would have on queue times.

[Gula]

Social -> Contacts -> Handy list of the people you ran the most recent instances with including job and instance.

I play high end PC with SSD while also having a decent connection, to PS4 players and low end PC players I must look like a hack god.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I play high end PC with SSD while also having a decent connection, to PS4 players and low end PC players I must look like a hack god.

As someone who plays on PS4 with an SSD, I load faster than everyone I've met as well. I know them feels. WE ARE GOD'S AMONGST MORTALS!

But seriously, this topic (the OP's) seems like a very Karen type of thing to do.

[Fland]

It doesn't matter how those CS skipping players impacting the queue. If they'd add the feature to prevent CS skipping from progressing the instance, then that would be for the sake of new players (the target of this roulette). How that affect the CS skipping players experience or how they wouldn't queue as a result is irrelevant since they are not the target of the roulette in the first place.

[Enla]

As someone who plays on PS4 with an SSD, I load faster than everyone I've met as well. I know them feels. WE ARE GOD'S AMONGST MORTALS!

But seriously, this topic (the OP's) seems like a very Karen type of thing to do.

To be fair there's a huge difference between loading in 10-20 seconds before hand and the fight text for both Gaius and Nero literally playing across the screen for the entirety of both of their cutscenes. If it's the former very few people are going to care myself included. If it's the latter and I have actually been in a lobby where this happened throughout the entire run while a newbie was present, then yes I'm reporting it. Because there's nothing more distracting while trying to watch the story play out than having Gaius' attack speech bubbles slam constantly across the screen.

All that said I do like the idea of a 'jail' locking players to the starting area until the cutscene is over as it would require the least amount of effort in terms of 'fixes'. However if the dev's can shoot it, I'd much prefer these become solo instances at this point since the trust system is so robust now.