Can we please get aggro management back?

[Derby_Crash]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

[ForteNightshade]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

Warrior was literally that already in Stormblood. You did a single GCD (Tomahawk) in Defiance and hit Unchained which negated the 25% damage penalty. You then did your standard Storm's Eye combo turned on Deliverance and never touched Defiance again. Butcher's Block was essentially non-existent 99% of the time. Stormblood aggro management was essentially yelling at the DPS for not using Diversion properly. Which I will admit, I do kind of mess. It amused me greatly just how much some people would whine over pressing a single button that did absolutely nothing to impact their damage.

[Xau]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

i personally prefer the current system over the one where the responsivility of tank managing agro is shoved to the other roles because mah dps!

[TyrTry]

i personally prefer the current system over the one where the responsivility of tank managing agro is shoved to the other roles because mah dps!

I mean...that is the job of a dps though; to pump out as much dps as possible. I had more issues with "mah dps" from tanks back in Heavensward when STR accessories were a thing and tanks who absolutely REFUSED to turn on Tanks Stance, because DPS Stance was so much better....until we all died.

There was enmity reducers back then, yes, but if the tank actively refused to use the tools provided themselves, then I don't blame the other players for not using their's as well.

[ForteNightshade]

I mean...that is the job of a dps though; to pump out as much dps as possible. I had more issues with "mah dps" from tanks back in Heavensward when STR accessories were a thing and tanks who absolutely REFUSED to turn on Tanks Stance, because DPS Stance was so much better....until we all died.

There was enmity reducers back then, yes, but if the tank actively refused to use the tools provided themselves, then I don't blame the other players for not using their's as well.

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

[TyrTry]

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

Perhaps. But it was never my attempt to argue.

I spent too much time in past arguing over the differences between tank stance vs dps stance that I eventually got tired of it. I'm aware of the dps loss and all that info (I use to stance dance all the time and gotten into plenty heated debates over it). I've been chewed out repeatedly for tanking in dps stance or for tanking too much in tank stance.

It was just in my experience that the "mah dps" mentality mostly came from the tanks I would que up with expecting others to accommodate for them when aggro exploded. It wasn't often, but it was notable.