It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Iscah]

This kind of feature is not important for me. Anyway, the really but really weird thing is...

Why one earth some here feel entitled to force people to see your glamour if they don't like it?
You can glamour the way you want for yourself for your own satisfaction as it appears on your screen but if someone prefer to see the AF by default, why does it bother you that much?

Short answer: because I don't want my character automatically put in the miniskirts that SE decided are standard female AF gear for most of the jobs I play. Whether it happens on my screen or not.

I pick outfits with longer skirts or pants. I don't want that changed back into the outfit I specifically don't want to wear, because someone doesn't like an entirely different group of people's outfits.

And no, targeted turning-off of certain outfits is not the solution. Less likely for me to be personally affected, more theoretical chance for it to be abused in another context.

[Eldevern]

Less likely for me to be personally affected, more theoretical chance for it to be abused in another context.

Pardon?

I'm not the last to consider the world and people can be creepy but... I can't get ride from the idea it goes a bit too far to think that way. You're not your character and your character is not you and... well... it's just a 3D model running virtualy in an alternate world and who as no actual feelings or whatever since it is just a program and a virtual story...

But never mind. Definitely, I suppose I will never be good at RP.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Pardon?

I'm not the last to consider the world and people can be creepy but... I can't get ride from the idea it goes a bit too far to think that way. You're not your character and your character is not you and... well... it's just a 3D model running virtualy in an alternate world and who as no actual feelings or whatever since it is just a program and a virtual story...

But never mind. Definitely, I suppose I will never be good at RP.

It doesn't have anything to do with RP. The basic rule in RP is that your character is not you, everything that happens to it is just as personal as something you'd read in a novel. I do RP, and some of Ositha's enemies are my best friend IRL. But when I play Out of character, my character is more "me".

I don't project myself in any game I play, but since MMORPGs are basically a social network with some gameplay added on it, once you've farmed and done everything you'd want to do, yeah, my interactions with other people IG are as real as my interactions with other people. Precisely because neither me nor them RPs in these moments. When you play a female character and you get sexually harassed by people, it's not your character that is being harassed, but you.

My character does not look like me, but I don't want people to see her in extra-short dresses or skirt. Because that character represents me in that social network that FFXIV is.

That's a paradigm that you may not agree with, but that's how many people play that game, so yes, it is important to preserve freedom of expression in there.

And again.. this could be accounted for or even completely circumvented by changing your character model into a "generic", masking your name into initials, or just having some prudish "standard" outfit.

And after that, we could all just make every map but dungeons character exclusive, so you can't see anyone outside dungeons.

Remember that MMOs are social by definition, and should be preserved that way...

[Krotoan]

And after that, we could all just make every map but dungeons character exclusive, so you can't see anyone outside dungeons.

Remember that MMOs are social by definition, and should be preserved that way...

Unrelated statements. The encounters were designed to be run by more than one player. The amount of work necessary to make the entire game single player accessible would be prohibitive. Also slippery slope logic. Just because I wish not to see thong-frog the shiny purple wonder, doesn't mean I never wish to interact with anyone. Heck I might even have a day I'll interact freely with his incredibly creative and whimsical character.. but I don't want to HAVE to.


MMO's are social as a symptom. By definition they're just games that many people play at the same time, in the same world. I've finished literally thousands of instances without saying a word. I've ground through 2 maps of Eureka without talking to ANY of the mishmash of insanity that is the shout chat. Other people are playing the game in the same world, this in no way means I must give each and every one of them anything above basic human courtesy.

[Iscah]

Pardon?

I'm not the last to consider the world and people can be creepy but... I can't get ride from the idea it goes a bit too far to think that way. You're not your character and your character is not you and... well... it's just a 3D model running virtualy in an alternate world and who as no actual feelings or whatever since it is just a program and a virtual story...

But never mind. Definitely, I suppose I will never be good at RP.

It's not RP. For the purpose of interacting with other people in the game world, and also here talking to people on the forum, my character is the "face" attached to my actions. Therefore she is how people perceive me in the game world. Therefore, my choices in how I present her is how I present myself to others in the virtual space.

It's more like putting clothes on, except there's a whole visible person attached to those clothes.

When I'm playing the RPG story of FFXIV, Aurelie is a character in the same way any non-customisable player-character might be in another game. She's acting under her own willpower within the story, and I just take her where she needs to go. I care about her but she's not me.

But in the social world of FFXIV where you're not interacting with the story or the story-characters? She's not a story character any more either. She's being used as an avatar for my interactions with other people. They address me by her name, in-game or even in voice chat, and I recognise it as if they used my real one. If I want to wave to someone, I instruct her to do it.

I would expect that's actually a pretty common thing that if you're constantly acting through a character, you start to see that as an extension of yourself, whether you intended it or not.

And in that context, yes. I want her to wear something that I personally am happy to be seen wearing.

[Krotoan]

Thing is, it's not, or should not, be as important to you, to restrain people from showing who they are, what they identify as, than censoring them. If you see ('cause thats' s the problem, we all know it...) male wearing female types of glams, either provocative or subtle, you can just shrug it off. You don't have to care. You choose to care.

And if we get an option to turn it off they don't have to care.. they would choose to care. Nobody is being RESTRAINED. The modification is on the client, and on the client only. For all intents and purposes the other users would have no indication of any use.

But if someone that had to hide itself for years or decades wants, needs to show that other side of them, then it's not a choice, it can be very important for their mental health. And yes, surely you can go "That's a mental disorder". Maybe, but neither those people nor me care. If they need the game as a safe space, why would you go out of your way to take that away from them?

That's the one question I'm wondering about...

It's already been taken away. Modding exists and although it is against TOS, is widely used. Thus the expectation that EVERYONE see's them as they wish is already shattered.

Short answer: because I don't want my character automatically put in the miniskirts that SE decided are standard female AF gear for most of the jobs I play. Whether it happens on my screen or not.

I pick outfits with longer skirts or pants. I don't want that changed back into the outfit I specifically don't want to wear, because someone doesn't like an entirely different group of people's outfits.

And no, targeted turning-off of certain outfits is not the solution. Less likely for me to be personally affected, more theoretical chance for it to be abused in another context.

And again.. this could be accounted for or even completely circumvented by changing your character model into a "generic", masking your name into initials, or just having some prudish "standard" outfit.