Cash Shop Announcements from EU Stream

[Krotoan]

Not really. I think most realize that putting content or pay 2 win stuff behind a Cash Shop in a subscription MMO is a death sentence. The slippery slope argument is that they stale the base game cosmetics to drive Cash Shop sales. Not saying that's the case right now and it may be a fallacy or whatever but some just don't want this to be a possibility out of principle.

6 Years, along with becoming THE contender to the king of MMO's... wouldn't really call that a death sentence.

[SamRF]

6 Years, along with becoming THE contender to the king of MMO's... wouldn't really call that a death sentence.

You don't think there will be massive exodus if FFXIV started presenting obvious pay 2 win items in their Cash Shop? Like you see in Free to play MMOs? That's what I meant, not that the game is already dead because of the cosmetics Cash Shop we have right now.

[Krotoan]

You don't think there will be massive exodus if FFXIV started presenting obvious pay 2 win items in their Cash Shop? Like you see in Free to play MMOs? That's what I meant, not that the game is already dead because of the cosmetics Cash Shop we have right now.

People claim retainers are pay 2 win. But I understand what you mean now.

[yukiiyuki]

6 Years, along with becoming THE contender to the king of MMO's... wouldn't really call that a death sentence.

If we continue like this, our contender will be Second Life.

[Krotoan]

If we continue like this, our contender will be Second Life.

Because we will have a large cosmetic pool to buy things from?

I could only dream of shop full of player generated cosmetics... So many creative and talented people out there.

[yukiiyuki]

Because we will have a large cosmetic pool to buy things from?

I could only dream of shop full of player generated cosmetics... So many creative and talented people out there.

Because WoW focuses on gameplay mechanics, raids and dungeons while XIV shifting to casual social stuff, reducing difficulty of most things.

[Lium]

Because WoW focuses on gameplay mechanics, raids and dungeons while XIV shifting to casual social stuff, reducing difficulty of most things.

Not sure if serious. Do you know what the #1 complaint is on the WoW forums? Or at least was when I stopped playing back in Legion? The game was too easy and catered to casuals. That's been the hot-button debate over there for years.

Also, WoW is a raid focused game with a paper thin contrived plot, which works for them because nobody plays WoW for the story. FFXIV meanwhile, focuses on great storytelling, interesting characters, adherence to established lore, with some dungeons and raids thrown in for good measure, each with savage and extreme modes. And by the way, a Blizzard dev praised Thordan Extreme.

But if all you want to do is raid, WoW is for you.

[yukiiyuki]

Not sure if serious. Do you know what the #1 complaint is on the WoW forums? Or at least was when I stopped playing back in Legion? The game was too easy and catered to casuals. That's been the hot-button debate over there for years.

Also, WoW is a raid focused game with a paper thin contrived plot, which works for them because nobody plays WoW for the story. FFXIV meanwhile, focuses on great storytelling, interesting characters, adherence to established lore, with some dungeons and raids thrown in for good measure, each with savage and extreme modes. And by the way, a Blizzard dev praised Thordan Extreme.

But if all you want to do is raid, WoW is for you.

Bunch of useless info dropped again.
Well, if WoW is too easy and catered for casuals, I have very bad news for you about most of our playbase. People come here to just read the story and talk with other people, they dont want to grind, do harder content, they happy that they getting less dungeons and dont want devs to make them more interesting because "it will be boring someday anyway". And devs see this pattern and make stuff even easier than it was, like adding "easy difficulty" to duties, making crafting more casual friendly, taking off adds from raids to save people precious time.
Game develops casual stuff, instead of improving PVE, that's why THE contender to the king is less and less likely, because it trying to cater different types of people.

[Krotoan]

Because WoW focuses on gameplay mechanics, raids and dungeons while XIV shifting to casual social stuff, reducing difficulty of most things.

Do you know what the last MMO that catered to the "hardcore" fanbase was? Wildstar.

.. see them around anymore?

[yukiiyuki]

Do you know what the last MMO that catered to the "hardcore" fanbase was? Wildstar.

.. see them around anymore?

Big difference between making hardly beatable boss fights and fishing on boat. There is almost none midcore difficulty content in XIV, you either farm old dungeons in roulette or dancing in savages. No world quests, no PvP, harder dungeons, dailies to obtain gear, no rares to kill for mounts or even normal armory and mount collection.
But XIV shines in other way, RP, casual communication with people, housing, story and few minigames that you'll try and never go back. FF feels like social platform, while WoW has more "game" into it.
That's why I compared it to other "social platform game", and really, devs should think about implementing shops from players, as we can see, people dont have that much problems of adjusting hairs and porting new ones on Viera's for example. So maybe hiring few talened people wouldnt hurt much as long as they using their original models.