It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Iscah]

It's not like you're going to cancel your sub even if the option were ever to be added anyway.

By the same logic, it's not like people are going to cancel their sub if it isn't added either.

[SamRF]

It's not like you're going to cancel your sub even if the option were ever to be added anyway.

By the same logic, it's not like people are going to cancel their sub if it isn't added either.

You shouldn't look at it this way. Having or not having this option will lead to (slightly) more player dissatisfaction. When player dissatisfaction starts building up with other problems people have in the game as well, chance increases that they will cancel their sub at some point.

Now I might be biased, but it seems to me that because of this feature being a client-side option, I believe those that do want this feauture will end up more dissatisfied with the absence of it since they actually want to change something in their client, while those against this feature probably won't ever notice this feature and it's impact anyway with it being client-side and not directly affecting their gameplay experience.

[Anatha]

Forcing players to be displayed in a way that is not in accordance with their wishes is, as far as
I know, strictly forbidden in this game.

There's no reasonable position to expect they would suddenly sanction such a change. Should also consider that most people cultivate an image that is largely centered on how others perceive them, rather than self perception, and thus it matters quite a bit for someone else to supercede that image.

And if people know without a doubt that all that effort is for nothing, you can kiss the glamour market goodbye. Why bother spending gil to get the latest look, or grind for the materials to craft it? Why purchase mogstation outfits?

Ultimately that's just a few of the many reasons it won't happen. And for all the opposition's talk of compromise, they've overlooked the simplest one of all: "get over it".

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've played them most. Cloud, Squall, Tera, Zidane didn't spend the ENTIRE game fighting the forces of opposition in a string bikini with summer sunglasses. it makes your character look stupid. And I'd like the option to hide it. That way you can "Express yourself" all you want, but people who want a more final fantasy/serious experience don't have to look at ridiculous characters that don't make any sense.

So hold on...there is ALOT of posts Id have to sift through so I dont know if this was already Addressed.
But IF (BIIIG IF) they were to Hide Glamour...wouldn't that make it just as bad?

Cause there are people that mix armor because they dont currently or dont care to wear a complete set of armor. So now you will have people wearing mixed colors and all sorts of different cloths and armor pieces of various sizes.

[SamRF]

Forcing players to be displayed in a way that is not in accordance with their wishes is, as far as
I know, strictly forbidden in this game.

There's no reasonable position to expect they would suddenly sanction such a change. Should also consider that most people cultivate an image that is largely centered on how others perceive them, rather than self perception, and thus it matters quite a bit for someone else to supercede that image.

And if people know without a doubt that all that effort is for nothing, you can kiss the glamour market goodbye. Why bother spending gil to get the latest look, or grind for the materials to craft it? Why purchase mogstation outfits?

Ultimately that's just a few of the many reasons it won't happen. And for all the opposition's talk of compromise, they've overlooked the simplest one of all: "get over it".

People also care about their appearance in single player RPGs. Do they do that to impress NPCs or something? Idk but seems to me generally biggest factor for glamour would be for their own eyes, so they can look at their own character and enjoy as well as roleplay in an appearance, just like in a single player RPG.

Let's just imagine that actually nobody could see each others glamour in this game, would you still care about how you WoL looked like? Even though no other online player would look at it? My guess is vast majority would care and still invest (heavily) in glamour.

[Floortank]

People in glass houses...

[Canada_bangs]

People in glass houses...

The entire thread since the start in a nutshell.

[Krotoan]

So hold on...there is ALOT of posts Id have to sift through so I dont know if this was already Addressed.
But IF (BIIIG IF) they were to Hide Glamour...wouldn't that make it just as bad?

Cause there are people that mix armor because they dont currently or dont care to wear a complete set of armor. So now you will have people wearing mixed colors and all sorts of different cloths and armor pieces of various sizes.

Addressed quite a few times.. but I don't blame you for not wading back through all that to find out.

if you're going to bother to remove glamours, it's not a huge difference to just replace them with a "standard" glamour for your job. It was floated a bit that people should have current AF for their level range or just a base set that was iconic for BLM or WAR or whatever. It's just a matter of eliminating the "custom" reference you get from peoples glamours and referencing a "standard" glamour client side instead. People have also expressed distress that this "standard" may be overly revealing or risque, so it'd have to be reasonably PG as well.

Forcing players to be displayed in a way that is not in accordance with their wishes is, as far as
I know, strictly forbidden in this game.

Correction, it is forbidden to modify game files or the client. There is no mention of players wishes.

There's no reasonable position to expect they would suddenly sanction such a change. Should also consider that most people cultivate an image that is largely centered on how others perceive them, rather than self perception, and thus it matters quite a bit for someone else to supercede that image.

It has been argued, exhaustively, who's preferences matter more: the player who has payed for access and their want to experience the game on their own hardware as desired, or the players expression who needs people to see them a certain way to have value. Both sides have valid arguments. Personally I feel if your enjoyment of a game hinges directly on whether some random out there HAS to see you a certain way... you might be expecting a bit much from an online interaction.

And if people know without a doubt that all that effort is for nothing, you can kiss the glamour market goodbye. Why bother spending gil to get the latest look, or grind for the materials to craft it? Why purchase mogstation outfits?

Because not EVERYONE buys glamours to be the center of attention and the grandest tiger at the ball. Many MANY people buy them because they like the way they look and the fact their character looks a certain way ON THEIR SCREEN, is enough. The expectation that everyone is dressing/looking the way they do for the public eye creates problems in the real world as well. People don't necessarily wear makeup or dress a certain way to please others, many do it because it pleases them.

Ultimately that's just a few of the many reasons it won't happen. And for all the opposition's talk of compromise, they've overlooked the simplest one of all: "get over it".

Right back at you.

[Mindiori]

So what will you do when the point is reached where you wish to see some and not others? Ask for a personally targetable setting where you can deactivate the expression of anyone you don't like and then revel in your own glorious world of censorship?

The correct attitude would likely be to choose your friends more wisely and play with people of a conservative viewpoint. There is something to be said for the notion that a persons glamour is 'them' in all but motion. I personally wouldn't want to remove whatever they choose to wear, as in itself is a medium of communication and I value that and them, a long side my own experience. MMO's were after all based on cooperation and not self dictation or personal supremacy.

It's not like people are unawares that others also pay or have different opinions. But the notion of being able to limit someone to suit your own preference in any shape or form doesn't sit right with me philosophically. Not when they are only likely to bother you in close proximity. At which point, choose your friends and where you go. Not their attire.

It's a simple idea indeed, to realize that whilst this is indeed a game - much of it has been dedicated to expansive systems of personal expression and making the gap between who you are inside and your virtual avatar that bit less vast. Some things aren't choices but tolerances. Which is how they should remain I believe. There is a lot to be learned from someones choice of expression, blinding yourself to it is a loss in so many more ways than most realize.

[Krotoan]

So what will you do when the point is reached where you wish to see some and not others? Ask for a personally targetable setting where you can deactivate the expression of anyone you don't like and then revel in your own glorious world of censorship?

Solve that problem when it becomes a problem? Right now there is no choice. Play the game and "experience peoples expression" or don't.

The correct attitude would likely be to choose your friends more wisely and play with people of a conservative viewpoint. There is something to be said for the notion that a persons glamour is 'them' in all but motion. I personally wouldn't want to remove whatever they choose to wear, as in itself is a medium of communication and I value that and them, a long side my own experience. MMO's were after all based on cooperation and not self dictation or personal supremacy.

Only I don't have a choice who inhabits the world? Sure I can party only with friends of a like mind, but what about when we want to sit in "public" spaces and RP or just hang?
Sure it's a medium of communication. Something in which I should have a choice. It's great you wear your heart on your sleeve, but sometimes i don't want to hear it. Is it offensive that regardless of what you want to "say" I don't want to and shouldn't have to "listen"?

MMO's were built on the premise that people from all over the world could play a game together, not that they would be forced to deal with everyone elses personal agendas.

It's not like people are unawares that others also pay or have different opinions. But the notion of being able to limit someone to suit your own preference in any shape or form doesn't sit right with me philosophically. Not when they are only likely to bother you in close proximity. At which point, choose your friends and where you go. Not their attire.

Nobody is choosing anybodies attire or "limiting" anyone. They are still free to dress as they please. The option being discussed would only affect those who chose to enable it. And your solution is that instead of affecting only my experience, I should instead limit my own experience to allow others to "express themselves" however and wherever they want?

It's a simple idea indeed, to realize that whilst this is indeed a game - much of it has been dedicated to expansive systems of personal expression and making the gap between who you are inside and your virtual avatar that bit less vast. Some things aren't choices but tolerances. Which is how they should remain I believe. There is a lot to be learned from someones choice of expression, blinding yourself to it is a loss in so many more ways than most realize.

Sometimes the expression being chosen is "how obnoxiously can I dress?" or "lol look at me I'm a green metallic pig!". I lose nothing in these cases and it enhances MY experience to be able to screen them out. People are free to choose to express themselves as freely as possible, but the choice to not participate and still experience the game should be there.