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    As strange as it sounds, I hope we get nothing.

    Healing as a role needs a rework and quite possibly even parts of the game itself and encounter design. That's much, much bigger than patching up a single job, like NIN. That's just not something they can do in a patch, nor should they. They need to hire staff to the class design team who actually play and understand how healers function and make some big changes.

    Random tweaks would likely go badly. In terms of balance healers are doing fine. AST does not need another random buff because it's not popular enough, nor does WhM need a nerf because people play it. I know we want changes, but throwing a token potency tweak at us to keep us quiet will just throw balance out. They need to do this properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    As strange as it sounds, I hope we get nothing.

    Healing as a role needs a rework and quite possibly even parts of the game itself and encounter design. That's much, much bigger than patching up a single job, like NIN. That's just not something they can do in a patch, nor should they. They need to hire staff to the class design team who actually play and understand how healers function and make some big changes.

    Random tweaks would likely go badly. In terms of balance healers are doing fine. AST does not need another random buff because it's not popular enough, nor does WhM need a nerf because people play it. I know we want changes, but throwing a token potency tweak at us to keep us quiet will just throw balance out. They need to do this properly.
    What's disappointing is that they just did this. We made a major overhaul for only one class AST with respect to one job mechanic and it was a contentious outcome at best. I don't have that much confidence in SE overhauling all three healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitreus View Post
    What's disappointing is that they just did this. We made a major overhaul for only one class AST with respect to one job mechanic and it was a contentious outcome at best. I don't have that much confidence in SE overhauling all three healers.
    What they did to healers wasn't a reworking, it was the single worst dismantling I've seen in 20 years of gaming. Scholar went from being a really fun job to a wretched, broiling mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    AST does not need another random buff because it's not popular enough, nor does WhM need a nerf because people play it. I know we want changes, but throwing a token potency tweak at us to keep us quiet will just throw balance out. They need to do this properly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitreus View Post
    What's disappointing is that they just did this. We made a major overhaul for only one class AST with respect to one job mechanic and it was a contentious outcome at best. I don't have that much confidence in SE overhauling all three healers.
    What Astrologian needs is a complete rework from the ground up, it's an abject failure at being a "hybrid" healer, and with 6.0, assumably, bringing a new healer, it will no longer have an excuse of being a hybrid. Astrologian has been a problem since its incarnation and has remained so throughout. If diurnal sect is buffed out the voidhole AST runs the risk of wiping WHM out. If nocturnal sect is buffed out the voidhole AST runs the risk of wiping SCH out. If neither are good AST is left in the dust.

    They have to give AST a meaningful rework, not just useless potency buffs or cast-time changes that actually hurts healer balance in the long-haul, for the betterment of all the healers and whatever the future healer will be.

    (Stella being reintroduced and changed from a 100 potency 2.5 cast time GCD with a heavy debuff to an instant cast GCD, no heavy debuff and 100 or so potency would have solved the Card clipping issue instead of reducing Malefic's cast-time by 1 second and causing AST to out-damage WHM at the end of 4.0, AKA a Ruin 2 equivalent. WHM shouldn't/wouldn't need a Ruin 2 equivalent if they just made it's DoT do comparable damage with Ruin 2 weaving, WHM still doesn't have any damage boosting utility so it can afford to have a DoT that actually does a moderate amount of free damage.)

    (And sidenote not related to AST, if they really wanted WHM to be the "direct GCD healer" it's damage should have all come from DoTs, and oGCDs, not direct damage casted GCDs, unlike SCH who has almost always been an oGCD healer and should have had all its damage come from casted direct damage GCDs and shouldn't have even had a DoT)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina View Post
    WHM shouldn't/wouldn't need a Ruin 2 equivalent if they just made it's DoT do comparable damage with Ruin 2 weaving
    If WHM had a dot with Ruin 2 potency, it wouldn't be a good weaving tool.
    I like smooth gameplay. And clipping doesn't feel like it at all.
    I'm still in favor of WHM getting any type of instant cast spell (that is not a dot) to have a real weaving windows (and that is not a dps loss over clipping Glare).
    But that's just a preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    If WHM had a dot with Ruin 2 potency, it wouldn't be a good weaving tool.
    I like smooth gameplay. And clipping doesn't feel like it at all.
    I'm still in favor of WHM getting any type of instant cast spell (that is not a dot) to have a real weaving windows (and that is not a dps loss over clipping Glare).
    But that's just a preference.
    If WHM had a DoT with real potency, potency in the thousands not hundreds, it wouldn't need a weaving tool unlike how AST and SCH would. It would use that and just go back to healing with GCDs, since that seems to be what the devs want WHM to be, a GCD healer, or whatever, and not ever need to worry about lost damage over the course of an encounter. Hell instead of a DoT with a thousand or more potency they could give WHM DPS cooldowns to weave in between GCD healing.

    But that would require the devs to rework WHM, and the other healers, which lets be honest here, needs to happen anyway.
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