So, Mog station here we are

[Celef]

That's not how P2W works.

- Sellable retainers are annoying, but you still can make the same amount of gil, just longer. They don't give you some mysterious bonus or something.

So having more inventory slots and thus being abble to stock more crafting materials is not a bonus ?
Especially in a game that throw on us bazillion's more of them while asking you to still use previous compos for brand new crafts ?

[NanaWiloh]

Guess what paid for the data center move and the newer servers was sure Hell not our sub money. SE short changes this game harder then penny pincher tipping a Waitress..

[Halivel]

So having more inventory slots and thus being abble to stock more crafting materials is not a bonus ?
Especially in a game that throw on us bazillion's more of them while asking you to still use previous compos for brand new crafts ?

Not a P2W one, no. Managing space with just 2 retainers, especially when you know you can have more, IS harder, but it's not impossible. While in case with P2W the game is, very often, basically unblayable without shop spendings. And that's not how it is here.

[DarkMasamune]

People buying the jump potion don't really "pay to win" since they don't even know how to play in the first place. No matter the stuff you have, if you can't play your job right, you ain't winning in my book.

Also, having played a lot of cheap korean P2W, I can tell you that Mogstation isn't P2W in my eyes.
Sure there are some advantages to having multiple retainers, but you don't just go buying 100 tokens of something on the Mogstation in order to get easy access to a ilvl500 armor for 50 bucks.
Now that would be P2W right there.

The only thing I do agree on is the event items being put on there instead of being available the next year in the same said event. But oh well.

[Iscah]

My own thoughts on the outfit (perennial Mog Station debate aside) is that the robe is pretty and I like the gradient effect on it, but the wings limit the usefulness and it's also something you can't do much with besides wear it as-is.

The circlet and boots are really nice and unique though - enough to make me tempted to get it, but probably not enough to actually justify purchasing it. For now, at least...

Honestly, since they changed the "feminine" design from Titania, for a non gender-locked glamour that looks weird and make players look like some kind of fairy hippie priest, I will pass.

The wings are too low, too little and everything that made the Titania dress aerial is gone. This without saying anything about the clipping.

You're assuming that it's intended to be Titania's outfit and not just generic elven robes. I don't see any signs that this was the intent - it's not even the same colour scheme as either the original or reborn Titania.

"Fairy hippie priest" is prettymuch what I expect and want from an elven glamour. Look at the costume designs in Lord of the Rings and such.

Apparently it dyes poorly, and the wings ruin it for me, just like another set on the mog station.

The dye only affects the upper portion of the robe and the wings, while the purple sections on the hems are permanent.

Quite a few glamours have been posted on Eorzea Collection already, some with dyes, so you can get an idea of how it looks in different colours.

(It looks like you can put long-sleeved gloves over the robe sleeves, so at least there's some degree of customisation there.)

Agreed on wings ruining it for me, and on the angel and demon outfits too. It would be great if they came with a non-winged variant of the coat - the demon robe dyed white actually makes a really nice elegant WHM white-with-red-accents outfit.

I'm surprised the head gear is visible on Viera!

There's no real reason for it to not work. Viera miss out on headgear when it involves covering up the hair, but they get all other circlets and similar pieces that sit over the hair without affecting it.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

A few people already answered, but to clarify - the annual sale coincides with the Rising in-game festival that marks the anniversary of the game, which happens around August-September following the Moonfire Faire.

I just wish they'd make in game stuff more interesting, it really feels like they're making stuff look worse every patch so people are tempted to glam with mogstation stuff.
Remember the primal gearsets from hw? Those had themes for each role that looked unique. Now everything is sloppy fabrics that look boring and similar on everyone.

I am 80% convinced that they know exactly what they're doing by putting more flamboyant stuff up on the mog and giving us boring outfits. Even the raid gear looks kinda meh in my opinion this tier. Remember coil gear? with the crazy wings and stuff? The alex gearsets? Those had a really cool theme going on. Yeah. I remember. I would not expect anything like that at all anymore because it's just going to go up on the mog while we get recolours, rags or basic armor.

You might think it's clownish, but at least it fits like clothes that FIT, not rags that have been draped on.
Tome gear then vs tome gear now for casters vs mogstation dress:

[Hailstorm]
[Crystarium]
[Mheg Deaca]

You keep calling the new outfits "rags" and saying they're draped on, but the Mheg Deaca robe is entirely draped and the Crystarium robe is a lot more tailored, even if it's not as tight-fitting as the Hailstorm gear.

I also don't see how releasing "bad new gear" is going to drive anyone to Mog Station for lack of in-game options. If you still prefer the Lv60 primal gear or the Dreadwyrm gear, glamour it. Be unique. The overall range of in-game glamour available to you has not been reduced (with the regrettable exception of the Garo gear), and you are free to continue using whatever appeals to you.

In any case, even if you overlook older gear, or if we were somehow restricted to only using recently released gear, there has been quite a range of outfit styles added to the game of late. Everyone went mad over the very tailored NieR outfits for weeks. The PVP gear certainly has a unique theme (and is very definitely not draped rags). Some of the Edengrace sets are beautiful - I really love the casting robe. (People love to hate the healing/striking robe but I think they just messed up an otherwise nice dress by putting the feathers on the front.) And the Neo-Ishgardian sets are fantastic.

Draped fabric isn't an inherently terrible thing, or nobody would be here complaining about the new robe in the first place besides maybe on principle.

Heavy! The dust bunny mount was foreshadowing this and many called you lunatics for thinking it. But here we are now, glamours that cost more than the sub itself.

Isn't it the same price as every other glamour set up until now?

I might be wrong but it has to do with how XIV handles color data for gear pieces, there's a built in memory limit to how far to the extremes it can go. You rarely get highly detailed glamorus that can go from super dark to super light. It's always dark colors look great, while the light colors look washed out grey, or the other way around. Only the simple/low detail glamours can go to either extreme (think of the summer glamours and simple shirts).

It also may just about how they set up colours to apply to the outfit. I think the dyeable parts of the robe take on a softer version of whatever colour you use on it, so you can't truly dye it jet black or other dark colours. A pity, as it would look rather striking on the embroidery and gradient.

if you think that the dalmascan set even compares slightly to that outfit idk what to tell you because we clearly have very different opinions on fashion.

I think they just meant that as an example of a recent glamour piece that's been very popular, not that it's at all a similar style to the robe.

The top has been very frequently used over on Eorzea Collection - and with a lot more variety in the overall outfit than the robe allows for.

Maybe. But still, sometimes it's better that something doesn't exist. After I started the game I saw someone riding a Carbuncle. I was playing Summoner as my main job back in the day, so I thought "Hey, that would be a great mount for me" and I asked them were I can get it. And then they told me. After I bought the game with the expension and was already paying my sub, hearing that I can't even get this mount - no matter how much I play or how good I get at it - until I pay another ~17 € for it was a massive bummer. A wasn't expecting that from a Non-F2P game, not after I already had paid like over 50 € for it.

And now imagine taking it to the extreme, standing in a place where all this people gather with their glamour and their mounts. You are new and you are talking to them "Hey, I like your outfit" "Thanks, you can buy it at the mog station"; "Hey, I haven't seen this hairstyle on character creation" "Well, you can buy it at the mog station." "What about.." "MOG STATION!".

Now would you keep playing this p2p-game after it just turned into an advertising plattform for the in-game-item-shop, right after you bought it and paid your sub? I'm not sure I would.

Well, as you said yourself, that's an "extreme" and unlikely to happen.

For every "it's from Mog Station" there could be "it's from the level 80 dungeon" or "it costs several million gil on the marketboard" which is just as prohibitive to a new player being able to access it any time soon... and on the other hand there are also plenty of nice things that are far more within reach. There are some cheap things on the marketboard, and I would say that Lv15 is the threshold at which you can start accessing some nice sets like the Hall of the Novice gear and also get access to the Gold Saucer for those outfits.

I feel like people overlook anything between Lv1 glamour and things released in the latest patch. This isn't targeted at any one person in this topic, but a trend of posts over time - every time new tome gear is released, people complain about how they don't like the style of it as if they're forced to visibly wear it. There's so much else available to us, whether it's from dungeons or the marketboard or quests or obscure shops like the Ultima gear vendor in Idyllshire.

The dalmascan set is one of the best looking glamour sets they've added into the game....on females. It's pretty disingenuous to post the set on a male character when it's plain as day that a lot of glamours look atrocious on them, including that one. The top especially looks gorgeous and goes with a ton of great glamours. To each their own I guess.

The pants look much the same on either gender - but in any case it's the top that's popular, though people are certainly making nice outfits with the pants too. Just a lot less of them.

And it looks perfectly fine on male characters anyway.

[Reinha]

It makes no difference to the game because stupid people who didn't know how to play their jobs were a thing before jump potions. So yeah, it literally made no difference.

Aaand a defense for jump potions arrives like clockwork.

Cosmetic items make less of a difference so why are there 20 pages of whining about those and not the services which actually have an impact on the buyer's gameplay?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

For every "it's from Mog Station" there could be "it's from the level 80 dungeon" or "it costs several million gil on the marketboard" which is just as prohibitive to a new player being able to access it any time soon...

Sure, but that's fine because it is also a goal to work towards it. I still remember when Suzaku was released and I first saw the mount... I was only level 50 that day, still working through the ARR patches on my way to Ishgard, but I instantly knew: I want that mount and one day I will get that mount. And while it sure took a while, I always knew I could get it, I could earn it just by playing the game and getting good at it. And in the end I reached that goal.

And while I still treasure this fire doggo and keep it under "favorites" to ride it sometimes, I never bought that Carbuncle. Because - and even while I actually bought other items from the mog station myself later on - I still associate it with something unpleasend that nearly made me cancelling my subscription, while I associate the Kamuy with only the good memories of a new player working toward my goal and reaching it. And those goals are still the point for me to keep playing. They were the point back then, they were it even for doing Eureka (I only ever did it because of the Ozma mount) and they are also my motivation for raiding.

TL;DR: I don't mind waiting and working toward an item I really want because that's what's motivating me in the first place. But if it ever reachs the point where all the things I want are only sold in the mog station, I would be quitting the game because then I have no goals left in it other then throwing real money at an item-shop.

[Eldevern]

...

I understand your point. Let's say it was an excuse to make some kind of joke around the "fairy hippie priest" that sounds fun to me as an association of ideas.

This said, now they released this dress, we unfortunatly hardly can expect some kind of Titania's dress to be released. Titania is really a character I like and... well I miss the Titania minion and Titania's dress. It's not a big deal but it's kinda sad in my opinion.

[NanaWiloh]

A veteran player being jealous of some who used a jump potion. Is like Bill Gates being jealous about a homeless person reciveing $1000 dollars instead of him. If are you veteran player then a player who used a jump potion aint got no advantage over you thats worth caring about.

[Iscah]

This said, now they released this dress, we unfortunatly hardly can expect some kind of Titania's dress to be released. Titania is really a character I like and... well I miss the Titania minion and Titania's dress. It's not a big deal but it's kinda sad in my opinion.

I wouldn't have ever expected to see Titania's dress as equippable gear - it looks very restrictive and I don't think it would be suited to the full range of player motion. Does Titania even move her legs at all, or just float in place?

(It isn't anything to do with it being feminine either, given the deal they made of Titania being the genderless king of the pixies. And talk about characters of either gender having the chance to take up the role.)