So, Mog station here we are

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The main point here is that without the cash shop this item wouldn't exist anyway. This isn't "instead".

Maybe, yes. I know. And I may prefer that, actually. See my posting before that, please.

[Celef]

Because savage gear has the strongest stats on it available in the game while it is current and thus just buying the best gear available is skipping into pay-to-win territory?

But there is ALREADY P2W option !
- You can hire more retainers, going from 40 selling slots to 120/160. How is this not paying to get more Gils ?
- You can buy your job to lvl 70 without even playing it. Met countless of people who bought that and went tanking without the good stance or keep dpsing instead of healing

[Eldevern]

But there is ALREADY P2W option !

It is not P2W. P2W gives advantage in PVP content or provides a pretty unfair advantage to make money ingame. Even considering retainers, FFXIV is hopefully far from that. You probably haven't play P2W games to not see the difference. Go try ArcheAge, Aion, BDO, you will see how P2W works and it's mainly a PVP matter (buffs, food, access to some content, some kind of "allowed RMT" with reselling shop content IG etc.)

[Selova]

I'd be extremely worried if they stopped giving crafters glamour to make. However, remember that the indigo summer set is actually a port of laguna's outfit from ff8

and that 2b glamour is a port of the nier outfit (and had lots of issues on release like the semi-opaque chest showing beige even on characters with blue skin and the whole thing about the butts)


if you think that the dalmascan set even compares slightly to that outfit idk what to tell you because we clearly have very different opinions on fashion.

The dalmascan set is one of the best looking glamour sets they've added into the game....on females. It's pretty disingenuous to post the set on a male character when it's plain as day that a lot of glamours look atrocious on them, including that one. The top especially looks gorgeous and goes with a ton of great glamours. To each their own I guess.

[Vidu]

This may be my dementia kicking in but I seem to recall, in the olden days, there being cool looking gear and mounts that you could indeed get for free as part of your sub and expac purchase. Whats really funny is now these things cost more than the damn sub. But alas we are in the age of microtransactions and it's not changing anytime soon.

I dare say that there are still cool looking gear and mounts that you can get in game for "free" - the mogstation took nothing away from us, its adding things that would not exist otherwise.

We're not getting less glamour-options or mounts/minions - we're most likely getting more, compared to ARR. I havent done the exact math and are most likely forgetting things, but 5.2 should have brought us at least these glamour options and mounts - in the game, "free" for all:

Gear (I'm counting all gear that has a new look)
- Crafted ilvl480
- Crystarium set
- Edenchoir set
- one new glamour outfit (this wrapped skirt and top - forgot the name)
- Relic and Ruby (weapons only)
(- Dyeable AF)
Edit: I forgot stuff! Namely the apron you can get for skybuilders-scrips and the Kupokupo-outfit from the scratch lottery - I've seen plenty of people wearing the apron and I really like the moogle-inspired set myself

Mounts
- Shark
- Ruby Gwibber
- Great Vessel of Ronka
- Ramuh
- Sheep
- Petranodon (...locked behind an almost insane achievement, but hey its free ingame!)
- Edit: forgot the Dhamel

**Disclaimer: I might be forgetting stuff - but I hope my point is clear: This are way more mount and glamour options than ARR used to have. Wether you consider some of those options "cool" or not is enterily subjective anyways**

[Ramesses]

If you don't like a company's business practices, make certain you're heaping a good portion of blame on yourself if you're continuing to do business with that company thereby supporting their business practices.

Square Enix isn't a charity. They're a for-profit business. There are shareholders to be paid for investing in the company, expenses and salaries to be paid, loans to be repaid, etc.

They're out to serve their customers. Do you know why cash shops exist? It's because players tell game companies "I wish your game had this, I'd pay extra to get it" and so the companies try to give those players what they're asking for. They create extras that cost an extra fee because players told them they want it.

There are thousands of items in this game that you're able to obtain through game play. Satisfy yourselves with those items if you don't want to pay to get the items specifically created for the players who said they were willing to pay more and that in turn allow game companies to maintain relatively stable game and subscription prices instead of increasing those things every year when they have to give their employees raises, pay increased insurance costs and lease fees, invest in new technologies to improve their games, etc.

You're welcome to start up your own game companies if you think it can be done better.

If a cash shop bugs you this much, find a different game company that does things the way you like it and play their games instead.


Did you know that there are still lots of cool looking and mounts that you can get for free as part of your sub by playing the game?

You should look into those.

By the way, I also remember the old days when all the cool stuff was part of a subscription but there was also very little of it and you had no other options. These days you get a lot more for you subscription even if you choose to ignore what's provided because you're too upset over a couple of items sold for an additional fee.

Brilliant post mate-- I was thinking of writing a similar response and then saw this-- couldn't have said it better.

To the incessant Whingers:

Yoshi has been a Director and Executive Officer on the Board of Directors for Square Enix (official source link) for over two years now-- (in addition to being the Head of Business Unit III). He has to make regular reports to the Board, stakeholders, shareholders, marketing divisions, operating personnel, technology innovators, and a bevy of global partners while also getting his team to remain highly creative and engaged. He's a solid leader and this is one of the reasons why you've heard a few times that the Dev creative team spend their own free time enhancing various elements within the game. These are people that are already working long strenuous hours and yet they go the extra mile --within their own free time-- to deliver creativity to the players.

Nobody does that unless they are fully engaged with their leader's vision, are decently paid, and have a deep passion to proudly deliver quality creative work to the fan base-- and THAT's what I respect the most and THAT's what keeps me buying on the Mog Station.

I've played this game since when there were no mounts or chocobos and almost everything (gear and weapons) was just in grey, brown, and green colours-- true story, go look it up. Nowadays, I'm still quite amazed at the quality of spiffy stuff that now comes with your subscription-- and now it's just a matter of understanding your wants and needs for those items.

Therein lies the fundamental concept of personal choice.

As Jojoya said above, there is a vast array of other free items within the game that don't require purchase from the Mog Station-- literally thousands-- and if those don't satisfy you, either find a different MMO that does things the way you want or proceed with starting up your own gaming enterprise. Don't keep prattling on and on with a sense of entitlement just because you are reluctant to pay extra for a shiney new item-- if you want something, then go get the means to obtain it.

Simple.

[Vidu]

But there is ALREADY P2W option !
- You can hire more retainers, going from 40 selling slots to 120/160. How is this not paying to get more Gils ?
- You can buy your job to lvl 70 without even playing it. Met countless of people who bought that and went tanking without the good stance or keep dpsing instead of healing

We can argue about the first point, but in regards to the second... as much as I personally dislike the jump potions: You got tanks who didnt knwo how to tank and healers who had no clue how to play and dps not knowing their rotation all the time, even before jump potions. They leveled through FATEs or got carried through dungeons - I'm meeting enough people who didnt bought jump potions but are 100% clueless.

[Halivel]

But there is ALREADY P2W option !
- You can hire more retainers, going from 40 selling slots to 120/160. How is this not paying to get more Gils ?
- You can buy your job to lvl 70 without even playing it. Met countless of people who bought that and went tanking without the good stance or keep dpsing instead of healing

That's not how P2W works.

- Sellable retainers are annoying, but you still can make the same amount of gil, just longer. They don't give you some mysterious bonus or something.
- The only thing people get from leveling job with a skip book is saving money on sub and time they would potentially spend without it. As much as I don't like skip books, they aren't P2W.

P2W is when you buy an item from the shop and it makes you OP in actual battles, mostly PvP. Nothing from what we have in Mog Station is the case of it.

[Reinha]

But there is ALREADY P2W option !
- You can hire more retainers, going from 40 selling slots to 120/160. How is this not paying to get more Gils ?
- You can buy your job to lvl 70 without even playing it. Met countless of people who bought that and went tanking without the good stance or keep dpsing instead of healing

These are worse for the game than a bunch of cosmetic items, but whenever anyone tries to speak up against jump potions there are people saying it makes no difference to the game. And how many years have we asked for more storage space now? Somehow it takes too many resources to develop but magically appears when I spend my crysta. But optional outfits are the thing that's ruining the game!

IMO the fairy robe is one of the best Mog Station exclusive outfits. Shimmering pastel purple color (this needs to be a dye), a nice pattern, beautiful wings and neutral looking adveturing pants + boots which can be used in many glamours. I spent some time figuring out which weapons would be a good match and ended up with Fae Grimoire, Elfin Bow, Aymur Anemos, Vanargand Anemos and Omnilex Zenith.

[Canada_bangs]

These are worse for the game than a bunch of cosmetic items, but whenever anyone tries to speak up against jump potions there are people saying it makes no difference to the game. And how many years have we asked for more storage space now? Somehow it takes too many resources to develop but magically appears when I spend my crysta. But optional outfits are the thing that's ruining the game!

IMO the fairy robe is one of the best Mog Station exclusive outfits. Shimmering pastel purple color (this needs to be a dye), a nice pattern, beautiful wings and neutral looking adveturing pants + boots which can be used in many glamours. I spent some time figuring out which weapons would be a good match and ended up with Fae Grimoire, Elfin Bow, Aymur Anemos, Vanargand Anemos and Omnilex Zenith.

It makes no difference to the game because stupid people who didn't know how to play their jobs were a thing before jump potions. So yeah, it literally made no difference.