So, Mog station here we are

[JamieRose]

I feel like OP is the kind of person that gets offended on behalf of other people.

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!

Name one game, paid or not, that does not offer unique content available only to the cash shop. Or that locks certain in-game content behind premium services or currencies. The answer is none.

FF14 does not lock its content behind bs bit boxes or currency packs. Nothing you can buy on Mog can or will effect your game experience, beyond Jump Potions for obvious reasons. You can't buy weapons or power ups. More glams are available in the game than Mog Station even sells--I get not everyone can fork out 18 dollars every time Mog puts out new items but not everyone can do the content required for a lot of what exists in-game. I don't see near as much push back on that.

The level of difficulty of the content that would reward such a premium item is one that would would make it unavailable to me if not forever then atleast until the next expansion or even the one after that.

In any case. This will go on sale just like everything always does. You can wait til then to get it or just stew forever over something that is widely accepted practice in the gaming industry and is likely not going to change any time soon. I, for one, am going to shell out cash so I can look like a faerie. You do you.

Just because every company is doing it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it an accepted practice, because the only people who accept it are marketing suits and whales. Cash shops are anti-consumer, doubly so when you're already paying a monthly fee just to access the game.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

[Malmstrom]

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!

Okay, why is your criticism legitimate and everyone else criticizing you folks of being a bunch of whiners about a non-issue not?

[Skivvy]

Okay, why is your criticism legitimate and everyone else criticizing you folks of being a bunch of whiners about a non-issue not?

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

[Malmstrom]

Are we taking to insulting people over their opinions now? I guess on one side we have the whiners and on the other fools who like to spend their money all willy-nilly.

Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

[JamieRose]

Nope! Just wondering why critiques are legitimate, but everything else is a white-knighting, offended excuse on behalf of SE.

I think the onus is upon you to tell us why calling out Squeenix for obviously greedy business practices is not a legitimate critique.

Why do people always assume that stuff that is in the store would've come to the game naturally otherwise? no, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Period

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think the onus is upon you to tell us why calling out Squeenix for obviously greedy business practices is not a legitimate critique.

...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

[Skivvy]

...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

For me, it's the fact that we already pay a subscription fee to even play the game. On top of that, this game suffers from insane item bloat, but they can't give us another free retainer (but will happily charge you monthly for more). Add in a companion app that you can pay for to give you a (slight) leg up if you're a MB player. Then you have a rather large cash shop that is priced more in line with what a F2P game will charge you. Not all outfits are dyeable. Not all mounts are shared. Glamour items can't be stored in the armoire (but you can buy more storage, so who cares!).

I get that SE is a business, and they are generally out to make a profit. That's all fine and dandy. But then you have a game like XIV, and I personally find it be be severely lacking in a lot of ways - even compared to F2P or B2P games. People love to claim that cash shop funds are going back into this game, but where are we really seeing this? Why are server limitations constantly being blamed for why they can't implement someting? Why is housing such poo? Why are Viera & Hroth still unfinished? Why are we getting less dungeons, no deep dungeon, and whatever else has been cut recently? Why can't they fix these items....but still pump out outfit and outfit, and more emotes...all for the cash shop?

Perhaps there is some truth that there is in fact a separate cash shop team (has SE ever confirmed this?), but that's a relatively moot point to me. SE is still the one controlling all the various teams who produce anything for XIV. For how much money they seemingly pull from the playerbase, it's not reflected in-game IMO.

[JamieRose]

...how is making, and selling a Dress in the Cash Shop that wasn't in the game to begin with a Greedy Practice...?

Because you're already paying for content, so technically you're paying for it twice. There's no reason not to include it in a game that they're already making money off of with copies sold + monthly fees.

And this is why we cant have nice things. People make silly arguments.

It's not double dipping if youre not forced to buy it. If they were charging 15 sub, then you need to pay an additional 5 to access the roulettes and dungeons, then another 5 to use mounts, etc. That would be your double dipping cause then it brings up what is the 15 for. But this is glamour. Thats it. And when you look at the MMO market, this isnt new. It's only scummy because you are under the impression your 15 a month guarantees you everything that SE makes for the game. That is a perception issue YOU have. SE never told you "Hey, pay 15 a month and its all yours." They never gave you that offer. So becoming angry that theyre making some items as a side purchase for people to choose to buy it silly as hell.

Let me put it this way: Do you become enraged when you visit a zoo and dont get every item in teh gift shop for free with your ticket purchase?

Oh and incase anyone forgot, in that thread I linked I was stupid and bored enough to go through the mogstation, and a vast majority of items on there are from past events, or achievable in game or account related. I even listed it out. So dont tell me that youre being 'jipped' content. Also in that thread, we talked about the price comparison. Point that was brought up: Fortnite emotes was 7 or 8? So is FFXIVs. WoW charges 20 to 30 for a recolored mount, FFXIV is charging 18-30ish for unique mounts. And not all those mounts are even that great. Unless someone can lay down the cold hard facts that show that FFXIV is charging unreasonably above market value averages, I am not particularly interested in the point of "Exorbitant" prices, as that is more an opinion of what you personally feel something is worth.

But tell ya what, if your worries are that theyll just put everything on the cash shop, then unsub. Because at that point you can honestly ask what is it that the sub is actually getting you.




Why is this wrong? Cause you feel its wrong? Cause you feel youre entitled to everything made for the game? What is it? Because I dont know about you, but when I bought my sub, I was well aware of what it entailed. An occassional glamour or mount that ends up on mogstation doesn't surprise me, nor was that guaranteed to be given cause I have a sub. Again, this is you assuming you are entitled to things cause you have a sub. You paid to see the animals in the zoo at the door, so that doesnt mean you get to have everything in the gift shop without extra charge.

The people who accept it are just average people who think its a fair trade IF they think the price is worth it. Cash shops are not inherently anti consumer. Saying they are is, again, the whole issue with a zoo. Or a Stadium, or a theme park, or etc.

Because HEREs the real kicker - Do you think they would spend extra time and resources on content that would not generate them more income? If it was locked in at 15 a month, why would they spend money developing that robe? To get more people who are already subbed to the game to farm Titania? To draw in new players who wouldnt have access to that content for a while? What would be the plan?

Also Its been about a year I believe since they had mounts on sale. Not 100% but a few mounts were marked down in price, such as the two seater moogle mount, among others. So yeah, they do do it from time to time. They may do another sale come summer.




Whats it to you what people spend their money on. If they feel its worth the price, who are you to say they shouldnt buy it. While I dont want to get into the "You dont pay my sub" cliche, this is more appropriate use of "Its my money, Ill spend it how I see fit."

What makes this more foolish is that we know that youre not calling people foolish cause you think it's a bad item or investment. You call it foolish because people choosing to buy something goes directly against the end goal you want - Mogstation to not exist so you get all those items "for free".

There are two kinds of people who make these arguments, fanboys and whales.

Either you're such an obsessed fan you are willing to accept anything and everything the company does to the point where you have to white knight it, or you have so much money to throw away that you think since this is not a problem for you, it's not a problem for anyone.

[Ryphen]

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

They run a sale every summer that's 30% off almost everything. They exclude the newest items that were added and maybe a few other things. It's when I decide to stock up on mounts, minions, bardings and emotes and declare it a late birthday present to myself.

[Enla]

They run a sale every summer that's 30% off almost everything. They exclude the newest items that were added and maybe a few other things. It's when I decide to stock up on mounts, minions, bardings and emotes and declare it a late birthday present to myself.

They also had one back in Winter and I /think/ one in the Spring? Generally I expect a sale every season or so - though the summer sale tends to be the biggest.