So, Mog station here we are

[LalaRu]

Yet another thread of someone making its own crusade against cash shops just because... they can. Really.

Having threads as this every time the Mog Station is updated got old long time ago.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Having threads as this every time the Mog Station is updated got old long time ago.

It may get old and it may not change anything, yet it is still necessary to remind SE that people don't like it when they are putting items in a shop instead of putting them into the game.

[Centershock]

So I sort of get why some people might be all against this Mog Station cash shop thing. I come from an age where there were virtually no F2P MMOs. They were all sub-based and everything you wanted was obtainable in game somehow. (Some took a lot of effort, so in no way did I feel like I could get said [item] for free.)

Sure these items in the Mog Station are optional. You are, in no point, held at gunpoint and being told that you have to purchase them for USD 18 or else. I do wish, however, that they did not come with such an expensive price tag. Many of these full sets are 18 bucks, which is more than the price of a monthly sub. I guess I wouldn't even have a slight gripe with it if these glamour sets were account-wide instead of per character.

Anyway, I kinda get why there's a huge gripe with it. I even get why they'd think SE is quote/unquote double dipping. But that seems a bit out of reach. If they did help us get more servers/DCs for NA and EU, then I can rest easier knowing my money is going somewhere. (Gods only know how much I've spent on skips and sets on the Mog Station.)

[Krotoan]

It may get old and it may not change anything, yet it is still necessary to remind SE that people don't like it when they are putting items in a shop instead of putting them into the game.

The main point here is that without the cash shop this item wouldn't exist anyway. This isn't "instead".

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The main point here is that without the cash shop this item wouldn't exist anyway. This isn't "instead".

Maybe, yes. I know. And I may prefer that, actually. See my posting before that, please.

[Krotoan]

Maybe, yes. I know. And I may prefer that, actually. See my posting before that, please.

That's.. pretty petty. Wishing that people wouldn't even have it because you don't want to even see it if it costs money?

How many times do you wish that people in real life don't have things you want because you don't want to pay the cost to have them?

TL;DR: I don't mind waiting and working toward an item I really want because that's what's motivating me in the first place. But if it ever reachs the point where all the things I want are only sold in the mog station, I would be quitting the game because then I have no goals left in it other then throwing real money at an item-shop.

You... realize you can "work toward" something that costs money right? This is how actual jobs work.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

That's.. pretty petty.

It is pretty petty... for a game that is already charging us money to add a new mount that they have already put into the shop twice and trying to charge another 17 € just because this time it's red coloured instead of cyan or yellow.

Wishing that people wouldn't even have it because you don't want to even see it if it costs money?

Yes, now that's the thing. Maybe I am old schooled or old fashioned or whatever about my video games, but I neither like to spend real money on virtual items for a game I already have bought AND paying a monthly fee for it, nor do I like to see items in a game that you can't get just by actually playing the game.

How many times do you wish that people in real life don't have things you want because you don't want to pay the cost to have them?

How is that even the same? Why are you mixing it up? In a video game you should be able to get the things you want by spending in-game money (or earning it otherwise) IN game. That's my point and in real life it's just the same: I don't mind if someone drives a car I can't affort irl and I don't mind if someone is riding a mount in game I can't affort because I don't have enough gil or because I'm not good enough at beating the content (yet). It's not jealousy. And, regarding the mount, it's not because I can't effort it myself either. I could, it wouldn't hurt me financially, it just doesn't feel right to me in regard to my point of view about video games. It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics without subscriptions or selling base game and expensions. And maybe most people wouldn't even mind if it would be just one or two things a year or something like that. But we just had a new mount last month and there is still this peacock somewhere in the database ready to be release, so there is also the feeling that it's getting "too much".

You... realize you can "work toward" something that costs money right? This is how actual jobs work.

I do. I would say I'm working toward my own house. Or a new car. Or the next vacation trip (whenever that will be). But I would never say I work my actual job to earn the rl-money I need for an in-game item. Or are you are saying you prefere to "work toward" an item by working extra time irl in a rl-job to earn the rl-money to just buy the item instead of playing the same time in-game to get it there directly without any rl-money involved?

[Canada_bangs]

It is pretty petty... for a game that is already charging us money to add a new mount that they have already put into the game TWICE and trying to charge another 17 € just because this time it's red coloured instead of blue and yellow.



Yes, now that's the thing. Maybe I am old schooled or old fashioned or whatever about my video games, but I neither like to spend real money on virtual items for a game I already have bought AND paying a monthly fee for it, nor do I like to see items in a game that you can't get just by playing the game.



How is that even the same? Why are you mixing it up? In a video game you should be able to get the things you want by spending in-game money you earned IN game. That's my point and in real life it's just the same: I don't mind if someone drives a car I can't affort irl and I don't mind if someone is riding a mount in game I can't affort because I don't have enough gil or because I'm not good enough at beating the content (yet). It's not because I can't effort it myself. I could, it wouldn't hurt me financially, it just doesn't feel right to me in regard to my point of view about video games. It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics, but we are talking about a p2p-game.



I do. I would say I'm working toward my own house. Or a new car. Or the next vacation trip (whenever that will be). But I would never say I work my actual job to earn the rl-money I need for an in-game item. Or are you are saying you prefere to "work toward" an item by working extra time irl in a rl-job to earn the rl-money to just buy the item instead of playing the same time in-game to get it there directly without any rl-money involved?

So going off your post, you only got ARR right? Since buying HW, SB and SB2 would be against your wishes correct? If you bought any of those then your point about the mogstation is moot.

[Halivel]

It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics, but we are talking about a p2p-game.

We are talking about p2p game that is almost 7 years old and its subscription fee wasn't raised even once, while price for maitaining exsiting things and creating new onces doesn't stay the same - it only raises with time going. Not to mention that subscription money don't come back to the game in full amount, only mog station money do.

Do you realise how such things are possible? Take 50$, remember what you could buy for this amount in 2013 and compare with what you can buy for same 50$ now in 2020. If you think that prices in gamedev are mysteriously staying the same over decades - they don't. Are you ready to pay 25$ instead of 13$ or even more? I'm not, and I'll prefer having mog station with optional cosmetic items over higher fee.

[Krotoan]

It is pretty petty... for a game that is already charging us money to add a new mount that they have already put into the shop twice and trying to charge another 17 € just because this time it's red coloured instead of cyan or yellow.

How so? People ASKED for that. Specifically. "where is the ruby version". You can probably search for that in this very forum. How is responding to DEMAND, petty? Or were you just looking for a way to try and flip the pointing finger over to someone else?

Yes, now that's the thing. Maybe I am old schooled or old fashioned or whatever about my video games, but I neither like to spend real money on virtual items for a game I already have bought AND paying a monthly fee for it, nor do I like to see items in a game that you can't get just by actually playing the game.

How is that even the same? Why are you mixing it up? In a video game you should be able to get the things you want by spending in-game money (or earning it otherwise) IN game. That's my point and in real life it's just the same: I don't mind if someone drives a car I can't affort irl and I don't mind if someone is riding a mount in game I can't affort because I don't have enough gil or because I'm not good enough at beating the content (yet). It's not jealousy. And, regarding the mount, it's not because I can't effort it myself either. I could, it wouldn't hurt me financially, it just doesn't feel right to me in regard to my point of view about video games. It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics without subscriptions or selling base game and expensions. And maybe most people wouldn't even mind if it would be just one or two things a year or something like that. But we just had a new mount last month and there is still this peacock somewhere in the database ready to be release, so there is also the feeling that it's getting "too much".

Your problem lies in the perception of your resources. The root resource you have in all cases is time. Your time on this earth, your time awake, your time not spent on essential activities like eating or sleeping. How you choose to spend that time is up to you. You can spend it grinding 3000 A-rank kills, or you can spend it say... working one or two hours at a job or even doing a job for someone if you don't wish to commit to a whole full time deal. EITHER WAY you are spending time. It is entirely your choice. However telling people that you'd rather they NOT have the option to spend their time how they wish just because you don't wish to spend that time in a way you don't like, is pretty selfish.


The fact the models and textures are in the database is irrelevant. They said in the beginning that cash shop things are their own department and crew. Just because they're staggering the releases doesn't mean they're "withholding" things from the main game, it just means they have a schedule and they're ahead of it.

People will ALWAYS complain about cash shop things because they're stuck in this weird perception that somehow they're being cheated out of an opportunity to earn something when all that has happened is the method has changed. You can still earn it, you can still work towards it, the middling currency has just changed.

I do. I would say I'm working toward my own house. Or a new car. Or the next vacation trip (whenever that will be). But I would never say I work my actual job to earn the rl-money I need for an in-game item. Or are you are saying you prefere to "work toward" an item by working extra time irl in a rl-job to earn the rl-money to just buy the item instead of playing the same time in-game to get it there directly without any rl-money involved?

Every hour I spend "grinding" toward something in game is an hour I could have theoretically been making money. My time is worth something. It has a dollar value that I have agreed upon with my current employer as well as what I personally value it at. I don't personally see the difference between either form of trading my life for things, virtual or otherwise. If anything my major problem with this game is the time gates that FORCE me to spend excessive amounts of my time on certain activities because I should "earn" it. I have to play once a day to take advantage of resets. I have to do certain activities once a week instead of getting them all done in a day. Every time I HAVE to be at my computer a certain amount of times in a given period is a drain on the only real currency I have to spend.

You are spending your one true resource regardless of the interim forms it takes. I boggles my mind that you not only refuse to spend it in one particular way, but you wish that other people wouldn't even have the choice.