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    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    ...but I think I'm still entitled to play the game the way I want.
    You are entitled to play the game the way you want only to the extent you don't think the other 3 people are entitled to play the game how they want, when the two preferences come into conflict as per your example.

    And why are you tanking for the first time at level 60 if you were worried about your inexperience? Even DRK would let you wade in by comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    You are entitled to play the game the way you want only to the extent you don't think the other 3 people are entitled to play the game how they want, when the two preferences come into conflict as per your example.

    And why are you tanking for the first time at level 60 if you were worried about your inexperience? Even DRK would let you wade in by comparison.
    I’m actually a tad worried about this going forward if we get a new tank or healer, jobs that might start at highe levels and thus start at a more difficult starting point for that role.

    Yes we can see/feel that Tanking/Healing is stupid easy but a first time Tank/Healer in that DF level? What about the next one if they start at 60?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerlinCross View Post
    I’m actually a tad worried about this going forward if we get a new tank or healer, jobs that might start at highe levels and thus start at a more difficult starting point for that role.

    Yes we can see/feel that Tanking/Healing is stupid easy but a first time Tank/Healer in that DF level? What about the next one if they start at 60?
    GNB and DNC start at 60. The next expansions additions would most likely start at 70.
    BTW we already have people starting their very first job at 70 on any role and trying Holminster Switch as their first dungeon without any prior experience of party content thanks to jump potions. The stories I've read don't paint the prettiest of pictures of how well it works out. I believe the game just plops you in with no tutorial whatsoever but I'm not entirely sure as I have never seen what exactly happens when you use one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lammas View Post
    GNB and DNC start at 60. The next expansions additions would most likely start at 70.
    BTW we already have people starting their very first job at 70 on any role and trying Holminster Switch as their first dungeon without any prior experience of party content thanks to jump potions. The stories I've read don't paint the prettiest of pictures of how well it works out. I believe the game just plops you in with no tutorial whatsoever but I'm not entirely sure as I have never seen what exactly happens when you use one.
    Doi. Half asleep when I made that post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerlinCross View Post
    I’m actually a tad worried about this going forward if we get a new tank or healer, jobs that might start at highe levels and thus start at a more difficult starting point for that role.

    Yes we can see/feel that Tanking/Healing is stupid easy but a first time Tank/Healer in that DF level? What about the next one if they start at 60?
    Hopefully we'll eventually see systems requiring completion of X content, of at least half the level of whatever role-based task they'd be going into for the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Hopefully we'll eventually see systems requiring completion of X content, of at least half the level of whatever role-based task they'd be going into for the first time.
    What if you just have to do a mandatory solo instance before you are allowed to use Duty Finder, in which you'd have to tank like you're supposed to in order to succeed? Maybe I'm biased because of experience but I really feel like you get the hang of tanking after 1 dungeon. Make the solo instance tough so you'll need to play your tanking role well (including cooldown) otherwise the instance fails. Instance will usually fail then a couple times if it's a new tank but that's how it should be and that's how they will learn. Also make it so the instance syncs your gear to a set value so your gear litterally has no effect.

    Same for healers (also add a dps check for both tanks and healers so it's clear they should dps well too).

    Some may never pass this instance, but that would just be evidence they shouldn't be allowed to tank or heal with PUGs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    What if you just have to do a mandatory solo instance before you are allowed to use Duty Finder, in which you'd have to tank like you're supposed to in order to succeed?
    I mean, it could be anything, so long as it includes exposure to same stuff would see over the missing levels on, say, another tank (an earlier-level one, to be clear) -- solo-instance, Halls of the Journeyman, whatever, so long as it's got the stuff.
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    My gut instinct tells me this is a troll wanna be...new player but have 400 hours of gaming...hmmmm

    But I will indulge...Gunbreaker starts at 60 with default gear at ilevel 170 I believe which makes you over geared for all level 50 dungeons. If you have done the many instances as you said thane you have had to seen other tanks pulling more mobs when over geared. Big thing though if your legit "NEW" gotta tell people right away don't wait until x wipes and last boss. Its ok to be new, everyone was at some point but not communicating gives the expectation to others you know what you are doing and how to best play your job.

    Just my 2 cents
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