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  1. #11
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    yajnaji's Avatar
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    Koil Megatherion
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    Louisoix
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    No, harassing someone is never okay and you did right to report them.
    Then we understand each other.
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  2. #12
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    SamRF's Avatar
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 88
    I've had many terrible tanks in my PUG group but never saw such immediate harassment from players, usually they give constructive criticism or simply ask to pull more. What was it that you did wrong exactly? Was it just the fact you did small pulls? If they immediately harassed you for that, than I think you just got very unlucky with you PUG. Or you're in a more toxic datacenter than I am idk.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    I've had many terrible tanks in my PUG group but never saw such immediate harassment from players, usually they give constructive criticism or simply ask to pull more. What was it that you did wrong exactly? Was it just the fact you did small pulls? If they immediately harassed you for that, than I think you just got very unlucky with you PUG. Or you're in a more toxic datacenter than I am idk.
    Wanderer's palace.
    I pull the first group and stay there, they run pass me to the next group and start attacking them while saying what was above mentioned.

    Like you, as a dps, I've seen tanks not pulling their best, but the rest of the group stayed cool and gave them advice and all turned out to be alright.
    Me, first time as a tank... this happened. Yeah, maybe that's just bad luck. I want to believe so, because in my 400-ish hours so far (like I said, new player), I only saw 2 or 3 at best toxic moments in all dungeons, trials and raids.
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  4. #14
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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    New player [...] Gunbreaker.
    You were asking for it. I have absolutely NO sympathy for you.
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  5. #15
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    Wanderer's palace.
    I pull the first group and stay there, they run pass me to the next group and start attacking them while saying what was above mentioned.

    Like you, as a dps, I've seen tanks not pulling their best, but the rest of the group stayed cool and gave them advice and all turned out to be alright.
    Me, first time as a tank... this happened. Yeah, maybe that's just bad luck. I want to believe so, because in my 400-ish hours so far (like I said, new player), I only saw 2 or 3 at best toxic moments in all dungeons, trials and raids.
    Yeah I get it would be frustrating to have that as your very first tanking experience but I wouldn't worry about it. Odds of that happening again seems very low.

    If you're decent enough geared I'd also just recommend to try to immediately pull more mob packs even if you're inexperienced, cause there's really not much you can do wrong with how tanking works nowadays. You'll probably have no problem doing that right away but if not confident enough you can train with dummies or open world mobs and act like you're pulling a mob pack (just AoE) and use defensive cooldowns etc as if you're taking damage, then simply apply what you've trained once you're back in the dungeon and you'll have your group more satisfied.

    Or just queue for low level dungeons and practice there. You'll be beyond overgeared as GNB for like first 3 dungeons to the point you won't even need a healer.

    edit: actually you can just do some low level dungeons unsynced and train that way.
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    Last edited by SamRF; 04-22-2020 at 10:41 AM.

  6. #16
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    Tulzscha's Avatar
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    Tulzscha Abbith
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    Jenova
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    actually you can just do some low level dungeons unsynced and train that way.
    And if you have enough progress in a grand company you can run lower level dungeons with npcs that do sync.

    Never hurts to let people know you're a new tank when you first enter a dungeon either.
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  7. #17
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    Eilonwy Ilyr
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    New player, decided to start level a new job: Gunbreaker.

    Not even one minute passed...

    - dude, are you a bot lmao
    - yeah, he's a bot, report him
    - you have to pull more than one group
    - god you're bad
    - etc
    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    They can kick me sure, no problem... but can they harass me? That's the WHOLE point! If they can harass me, then the game has a problem and the game becomes THE problem, not the community.
    Unless they were following you outside the instance and sending you messages as well or the level of vitriol drastically shot up past what you've told us I really hope you don't think what they were saying was actual harassment. If it is, you really ought to grow a thicker skin, especially if you're going to be tanking.
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  8. #18
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    Chryden Speakel
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    Odin
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    When your gear get synced down and you are in a 50+ dungeon, then everyone expects you to pull more because otherwise it gets boring for the DDs and healer.
    It just feels useless to AOE just 3 monsters while you could kill 9 in the same time and could do the boss next.

    If you want to learn tanking, start at 1.
    Because a lot player are willing to help someone "new".
    With a level 60 GNB in lvl 50+ dungeons you are not new anymore.
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  9. #19
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    If people don't know you're new to the role, they'll assume you are going to know what you're doing if it's not your first time in a dungeon.
    You've clearly leveled Dragoon, so you're not going to pop any new player bonus messages to people when you zone in. The expectation there is you aren't new, you know what you're doing.

    Being absolutely rude like that isn't acceptable, but you should also see it from the other coin. You never told them you were new [to tanking].

    That being said, you also just can't play the WAY YOU WANT because you're responsible for 3 other people. You're not playing for you, you're playing with them.
    Welcome to the tank life, my friend. It's a fantastic role I'll never give it up. But it can be hard to step into for first timers.
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  10. #20
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    Lammas's Avatar
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    Combo Lammas
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    Omega
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by yajnaji View Post
    Not even one minute passed...

    - dude, are you a bot lmao
    - yeah, he's a bot, report him
    - you have to pull more than one group
    - god you're bad
    - etc
    Seems very unlucky to get people who have such first reactions. That guy calling you bad was crossing the line so I wouldn't be surprised if they get punished for that.

    New player, decided to start level a new job: Gunbreaker.
    ...
    Wanderer's palace.
    I pull the first group and stay there
    Nobody is expecting that. You picked up a lvl 60 tank so people naturally assume you'll know some basics of tanking such as that level cap dungeons (50/60/70/80) are multipull land, quite often wall-to-wall pull land. The monsters there hurt a lot less than in leveling dungeons thanks to the generous level sync. Again, those people shouldn't have that kind of a first reaction and they were definitely being more rude than needed. Saying you're new to tanking or that it's your first time tanking a new instance right from the start might be a good idea until you get the hang of it.

    I was under the impression that me, as a player, can play the WAY I WANT
    ...
    I'm still entitled to play the game the way I want
    Not gonna lie, I hate this attitude. Ever seen a discussion sparked by a DPS single targetting in a 10+ mob pull at a level 80 dungeon? Or a healer spamming Cure 1 in that same multipull or perhaps in a 70+ level trial or raid? That's their attitude too. I know what you're going for here but trying to understand what the expectation is going to be when going in and trying to fill that is a very good idea. I promise you the bar for decent isn't all that high.

    If people want to speed run, they can create pre-mades with their friends and faceroll the whole thing.
    This too. Your run of the mill run of a roulette dungeon take +/- 15 minutes, maybe a bit longer depending on dungeon, and all it takes is tank pulling packs and using some mitigation, healer keeping said tank above 0 health and everyone involved using AOEs. It's not a speedrun, it's normal run. It's the regular expectation. You're suggesting the vast majority do dungeons with pre-mades instead of doing it yourself if you want to be the deviation from the norm. I get that you're salty about the situation but that argument makes no sense.

    I honestly feel symphatetic towards you in this situation. You got unlucky and ran into rude people and nobody wants to see that kind of thing. Still, I'm really hoping you change your own attitude too.
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