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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm really scratching my head as to how Elidibus' little scheme of sending a mess of WoL wannabes running about Norvrandt is going to end up being a thorn in our sides.

    Unless perhaps he wants them to somehow throw things out of balance and restart the flood of light... assuming that's even possible.

    Perhaps whatever new dungeon is announced in 5.3 might give us some ideas.
    The problem here is the Flood of Light wouldn't do anything for Elidibus at the moment because without Black Rose there is no pending calamity that we are aware of to allow a Rejoining to take place. That would be counterproductive for Elidibus to do to say the least. My guess goes back to his speech about wanting to 'keep us mired in the first', it seems to be an action more to disrupt our progress specifically. But how he intends to do so? That's still a hard thing to determine, as he basically creating a bunch of people with hero complexes.

    My theory he intends to mislead these heroes against us somehow, maybe by creating an illusion of some kind of threat, though I must say trying to pin anything on the "Warrior of Darkness" normally would be difficult. Then again, get enough people who think they're doing the right thing and I wouldn't be surprised on what they could do.
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    I'm all for speculation, but didn't the Moon Monologues explain it?

    Elidibus
    Though Your champion has indeed proven the most egregious obstacle to our ascendance─a barbed thorn in my side─he may yet be removed and cast into the abyss.

    Oh yes...it can be done. I will keep these “heroes” mired in the First, and victory will be ours at the last.

    Warriors of Darkness now, are they? Then their fate is decided.

    They shall meet the same end as those who came before─death at the hands of Warriors of Light!
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    If we're lucky we may meet a new character who uses one of the New Jobs for 6.0.

    If we are very very lucky, we may have a Roleplay instance and get to try that new Job for 6.0 by Roleplaying that character in a 5.3 MSQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    If we're lucky we may meet a new character who uses one of the New Jobs for 6.0.
    Don't they usually show off the new jobs a little later in the expansion?
    They showed RDM in 3.4 and SAM in 3.56.
    I can't remember if they ever showed GNB or DNC off during the SB MSQ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Don't they usually show off the new jobs a little later in the expansion?
    They showed RDM in 3.4 and SAM in 3.56.
    I can't remember if they ever showed GNB or DNC off during the SB MSQ...
    Not per sé.

    Gunblades (or at least the Garlean version, which isn't the same model as the ones used by GNB) have been in the game since day one.

    The Stormblood intro FMV led to rampant speculation that Lyse was a dancer, to the point that a joke about it is made with her Wind-up minion.

    To my memory though there was no hint or showcasing of either Job being introduced in Shadowbringers during Stormblood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Don't they usually show off the new jobs a little later in the expansion?
    They showed RDM in 3.4 and SAM in 3.56.
    I can't remember if they ever showed GNB or DNC off during the SB MSQ...
    Yugiri was a race preview in 2.55 (she was a female Miqo'te model with a different tail prior to that), Alisaie hinted at RDM in 3.4 (she use Gladiator actions while also casting a few spells), Gosetsu was a job preview in 3.56 and Fran was a racial preview during 4.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    I'm all for speculation, but didn't the Moon Monologues explain it?
    I remember that bit, but the specifics are what baffles me, since it would take a heck of a scheme to turn people against us after we saved their world.

    Not to mention that even if Elidibus did literally turn them against us, from all we could see there was only a handful of WoL wannabes and they're not exactly skilled enough to pose much of a threat...assuming we're actually aware of any potential treachery, since even the weak can be dangerous if they catch someone off-guard.

    I suppose it's also possible that he intends actually face us personally as "Ardbert" after rallying their support just for the sake of making the situation harder to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    it would take a heck of a scheme to turn people against us after we saved their world.
    Would it? I harbor some hesitation to have that kind of faith.

    Elidibus
    At but a word from me, you raise your hands in answer like the puppets you are. Naught has changed. You fail and you fail and you learn nothing─allow that which is most important to slip through your fumbling fingers like so many grains of sand. Again and again and again.
    There was a day Ysayle tried to put an icicle through our chest "for Hydaelyn".
    There was a day Midgardsormr tried to put a spike through our chest "for Hydaelyn".
    Gods save us from half the people who think they're doing the gods' work.
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    All I can say is that if they present any threat to us at all, it better be well explained. I don't want anymore of these, "I'm strong enough to fight toe to toe with god, but some sleepy time tea knocks me out cold instantly."

    As for my predictions, we'll get to learn as others have said that the Elidibus we face now is the same Elidibus that is the core/heart of Zodiark. Part of Hydaelyn's design, why her attacks enervate and break apart her target is so that they could take him out of the primal with the hopes of saving his life/soul as well as weakening the tempering effect. It didn't work 100% the way they wanted it to work, but it removed him from Zodiark, thus removing a substantial part of his power.

    We will get to see Elidibus's face, and he will have long blonde hair. World class breasts. Ass that won't quit, and legs that go ALLLLLLL THE WAAAY UP! No wait, that's Tammy Lyn Baxter. For some reason I think he will have long white hair. We may get to see Asahi Ascian Zenos minion's face as well. Though I kind of doubt it. Wait strike all that and reverse it.

    Thancred is going to get stuck behind with Ryne. The best laid intentions of mice and men and all that jazz. The length of his calling, plus the depth of the damage he brought on himsef when he 1v1'd Ranjit in level 48 Wilderness has seen to that.

    We will get cliffhanged just as it's getting good. Par for the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Would it? I harbor some hesitation to have that kind of faith.

    There was a day Ysayle tried to put an icicle through our chest "for Hydaelyn".
    There was a day Midgardsormr tried to put a spike through our chest "for Hydaelyn".
    Gods save us from half the people who think they're doing the gods' work.
    I suppose the newly awakened WoLs could legitimately be dumb enough to try to off us just because "Ardbert" says so. The revelation that he and his friends were partly responsible for halting the Flood of Light on top of their prior heroics already puts him on a pedestal of a height comparable to our own.

    I just struggle to think of any kind of argument he could make to suddenly frame us as the villains after everything we've done though considering the illusion he was able to conjure at the Crystarium, more smoke and mirrors could also be a factor.
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