What do you guys think is the cause of severe lack of Tank users?

[LalafellDown]

On the rare occasion that a tank is new and doesn't realise they're supposed to be leading, the rest of the party will usually wait and try to nudge them along.

Therefore, there is more pressure and responsibility on the tank to lead the party, and it is easier to learn a dungeon as DPS.

This is true because when I heal and see the tank doing slow pulls I usually pull a bit more for them. They don’t need to worry because I’ll keep them alive. I wouldn’t of pulled extra if I couldn’t handle the healing. New tanks if you see your healer do this, trust them. Don’t get bitter and stop playing. You might learn something.

It also helps break that comfort zone when you see what is possible to achieve when healer and tank are in sync. Just remember that in most instances the healer could probably tank the whole dungeon themselves. So don’t worry.

[SamRF]

This is true because when I heal and see the tank doing slow pulls I usually pull a bit more for them. They don’t need to worry because I’ll keep them alive. I wouldn’t of pulled extra if I couldn’t handle the healing. New tanks if you see your healer do this, trust them. Don’t get bitter and stop playing. You might learn something.

It also helps break that comfort zone when you see what is possible to achieve when healer and tank are in sync. Just remember that in most instances the healer could probably tank the whole dungeon themselves. So don’t worry.

I've had several tanks get mad when I did this and l've made a post about it before on these forums, in which by far most seem convinced you should never do this as healer because it seems to violate some arbitrary etiquette.

[MistakeNot]

This is true because when I heal and see the tank doing slow pulls I usually pull a bit more for them. They don’t need to worry because I’ll keep them alive.

What makes you think that is why they did not pull more?
When I tank I really hate if other people pull extra mobs. Too many mobs means that I can't keep track of where all of them are, I can't avoid their AoE attacks, I may have trouble keeping aggro on all of them and won't notice if some get away from me.

[BarretOblivion]

What makes you think that is why they did not pull more?
When I tank I really hate if other people pull extra mobs. Too many mobs means that I can't keep track of where all of them are, I can't avoid their AoE attacks, I may have trouble keeping aggro on all of them and won't notice if some get away from me.

What?
*blinks*
Eeeeeh?
That's your arguement? Can't hold hate? In this day and age where 2 aoe skills makes you the lead on hate by a country mile?

[MistakeNot]

What?
*blinks*
Eeeeeh?
That's your arguement? Can't hold hate? In this day and age where 2 aoe skills makes you the lead on hate by a country mile?

That is one of my arguments, not the main one.
If I can get a few solid hits on them, I will hold aggro no problem. But if there are a gazillion mobs around I might not have time to establish good lead on hate before some peel off - and may not notice if they do due to the crowd.

I also happen to think that big pulls are lousy tactics, and therefore is best avoided lest it become a bad habit.

[Lammas]

That is one of my arguments, not the main one.
If I can get a few solid hits on them, I will hold aggro no problem. But if there are a gazillion mobs around I might not have time to establish good lead on hate before some peel off - and may not notice if they do due to the crowd.

I also happen to think that big pulls are lousy tactics, and therefore is best avoided lest it become a bad habit.

If you're just spamming AOEs it doesn't matter if you notice or not. If someone somehow gets aggro they'll bring it to you. Or at least they should, if they don't that's not on you.

Big pulls are good so all you're doing by avoiding them is keeping up an actual bad habit. I'm afraid to ask but what even is the reason to consider it "lousy"?

[Shurrikhan]

That is one of my arguments, not the main one.
If I can get a few solid hits on them, I will hold aggro no problem. But if there are a gazillion mobs around I might not have time to establish good lead on hate before some peel off - and may not notice if they do due to the crowd.

I also happen to think that big pulls are lousy tactics, and therefore is best avoided lest it become a bad habit.

If sufficiently geared, less than the largest pull possible tends to be lousy tactics.

Moreover, a single tank AoE usually buffers the next several non-tank AoEs. It's a 10-to-1 ratio, and tank AoEs already have more than enough increased AoE potency to compensate for their lower Attack Power per ilvl.

[Liam_Harper]

That's your arguement? Can't hold hate? In this day and age where 2 aoe skills makes you the lead on hate by a country mile?

To be fair we can all disagree on whether others pulling for the tank is good or bad, but whatever the reasons, it's still a fact that some players don't tank pug dungeons because they simply dislike dps pulling for them.

The thread is titled "what do you think is the cause for lack of tank users?" and for some people, that's their reason. It's a question with an answer. They don't like not being allowed to set the pace unless they go at full speed with no pauses, so they don't tank. No point saying they're right or wrong, it's just how they feel. Emnity is easy to hold, but tagging mobs that are split far apart between chasing your healer in circles, zipping over to the BLM and mauling your melee all at once because someone sprinted ahead is a pain.

It's amusing that even other tanks are aggressive towards tanks who don't make the biggest pulls. We're chasing our own class away from our role.

It's certainly not the whole reason for lack of tanks, but it a part of it. It's a high responsibility low reward role.