Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Melichoir]

Because I have no life or sanity, I went through the mog station page by page to see what was in it and how it broke down.

In a nutshell, theres around 496 different listings, not items, on the mogstation. To make sure people understand this, Fantasia is one item but has 3 listings for single, triple and penta.

Of those listings, Unique items that are only found on Mogstation that have nothing to do with Account (Ex: Fantasia or Jump Potions), Not from a previous event you couldve gotten the item from if you participated (Ex: Werewolf Costumes from 2018 Halloween), Cross Promotional Items (EX: SDS Fenrir from attending Fanfest, or Amazon Purchase Deals), or commissioned items (EX: Regional Glamours that were imported over), Mog station sells about 90 'Unique' Items.



Minion: Panda Cub
Minion: Doman Magpie
Minion: Wind-up Y'shtola
Minion: Wind-up Yda
Minion: Wind-up Papalymo
Minion: Wind-up Tataru
Minion: Wind-up Urianger
Minion: Wind-up Alisaie
Minion: Wind-up Yuna Account-wide)
Minion: Wind-up Lulu (Account-wide)
Minion: Wind-up Rikku (Account-wide)

Mount: Sunspun Cumulus (Single Character)
Mount: Red Baron (Single Character)
Mount: White Devil (Single Character)
Mount: Aquamarine Carbuncle (Account-wide)
Mount: Sleipnir (Account-wide)~
Mount: Citrine Carbuncle (Account-wide)
Mount: Fat Moogle (Account-wide)
Mount: Mystic Panda (Account-wide)
Mount: Red Hare (Account-wide)
Mount: Indigo Whale (Account-wide)
Mount: Magicked Carpet (Account-wide)
Mount: Bennu (Account-wide)
Mount: Spriggan

Glamour: Blazefire Saber
Glamour: Vega Knuckles
Glamour: l'Cie Bardiche
Glamour: Bladed Lance
Glamour: Starseeker
Glamour: Binding Rod
Glamour: Grimoire Wing
Glamour: Mog's Staff
Glamour: Yshtola modish Attire~
Glamour: Gosetsu's Attire~
Glamour: Hien Attire~
Glamour: Lyse Attire~
Glamour: Aymeric's Attire~
Glamour: Ward Knight Attire~
Glamour: Ward Mage Attire~
Glamour: Ward Knight Weapons (6)~
Glamour: BlackBosom Attire~
Glamour: Black Bosom reaper Collection (5)~
Glamour: Distressed manderville Attire~
Glamour: Emerald carbuncle Attire
Glamour: Topaz carbuncle attire
Glamour: Emerald carbuncle slippers
Glamour: Topaz carbuncle slippers
Glamour: Minfillia Modish Attire~
Glamour: Brave New Yshtola Attire~
Glamour: Nightseeker~
Glamour: Alma's Attire~
Glamour: Krile's Attire~

Housing: Chocobo Chronometer
Housing:Gold Leaf Floor
Housing:Gold Leaf Wall
Housing:Artist Reproductions (4)
Housing:Enormous stuffed Alpha~
Housing:Melodious Mogchestrion
Housing:Upholsterd Gold Wall
Housing:Kasamatsu Gold Wall
Housing:Mini Dreadwyrm Set~
Housing:Carbuncle lamps (3)~

Emote/Cosmetic: : A Wicked Wake
Emote/Cosmetic: Go Go Posing Ranger Pose Set (six emotes total in 3 sets)
Emote/Cosmetic: Heel Toe
Emote/Cosmetic: Goobbue
Emote/Cosmetic: Toast

Orchestrion: HQ Orchestrions x6~


Thats 90 Items. On that List, if you notice the ~, that means it was already an in Game asset they turned into an item you can get. I point that out for anyone whos gonna say "Well it takes up resources" cause some of these things are already existing assets sold to us if we want them. Take out existing assets and we have a number close to 50.

So out of almost 500 listings, only 100 of them are mog station specific, and of those, only like 50 of them are actually unique items that they had to develop. The vast majority of what exists on Mog station, if you break it down by listing, is Glamour items which are predominately from previous events, and account based items (jump potions and dyes), and dyes.

Point is, The cash shop isnt filled with unique things that FFXIV and SE are dumping tons of time into. Most of it is stuff you could have if you were subbed. If they do want to make something cash store specific, it does tend to be mounts. Though considering how many mounts are In Game Vs mogstation specific, its still pretty small.

Mind you my list isnt perfect there, but ti should be proof enough that mogstation isnt fleecing you. The cash shop isnt some huge issue, most of the content in the game by a vast majority is something you gain by playing the game. So can we not do the "Mogstation is cancer" posts and falsely say that its gettign more and more bloated with exclusives when the simple fact is most of it is from in game events or account junk.

[NanaWiloh]

I've just seen a recent video cut from popular Twitch streamer Asmongold and imo he described really well what people's problem may be with a Cash Shop in an MMO.

https://youtu.be/0dPWP-1oiSw?t=790 till 14:15 (1 minute)

Hard paraphrasing:


So even if(!) ingame earned cosmetics wouldn't suffer directly from lack of resources, they will FEEL less important because you can perhaps get something better looking from the Cash Shop. To give an example, it will potentially feel less good/"productive" to farm for a mount when you know that you can get a potentially better looking one from the Cash Shop.

You can go all technical about it and say that it shouldn't matter and that it's your fault for looking at it that way, but it's still something people can't erase from the back of their head and will impair their enjoyment of the game.

Anyone who lets cash shops items strip away the pride and value of items they have earned in game need to re-evaulate whats important to them. Is their hard work and effort more important or how fancy and awesome something looks. If you follow the latter then your enjoyment is going to continue to be ruined.

[Melichoir]

So even if(!) ingame earned cosmetics wouldn't suffer directly from lack of resources, they will FEEL less important because you can perhaps get something better looking from the Cash Shop. To give an example, it will potentially feel less good/"productive" to farm for a mount when you know that you can get a potentially better looking one from the Cash Shop.

But this is kinda stupid. The omega weapon mount I think looks cooler than virtually almost all the cash shop mounts. Its music is pretty sweet too. So is danger noodle (O4S mount), Most of the Burbs, Virtually all the Doggos, and I want a dragon mount.

This argument works if the quality of cash shop mounts are drastically superior, but they typically arent, and the few that are better arent by a huge margin. It's a perspective issue. You see people really want Doggo Mounts nad Dragon mounts and farm like mad for them. I see far fewer people dying to have the spriggan mount, nice as it is.

[SamRF]

Anyone who lets cash shops items strip away the pride and value of items they have earned in game need to re-evaulate whats important to them. Is their hard work and effort more important or how fancy and awesome something looks. If you follow the latter then your enjoyment is going to continue to be ruined.

Well, that's the thing though? Their hard word and effort will feel less important because it won't reward something that looks as fancy or awesome. Nobody is going to put in the effort if there is no worthy reward, so it may be understandable that you would be against anything (Cash Shop) which makes that reward feels less significant.

[NanaWiloh]

Well, that's the thing though? Their hard word and effort will feel less important because it won't reward something that looks as fancy or awesome. Nobody is going to put in the effort if there is no worthy reward, so it may be understandable that you would be against anything (Cash Shop) which makes that reward feels less significant.

If someones pride in their own hardwork and effort can be stripped so easily then they should stop putting for the effort. As they are wasting their own time and the time of anyone who help them get what they were after.

[SamRF]

If someones pride in their own hardwork and effort can be stripped so easily then they should stop putting for the effort. As they are wasting their own time and the time of anyone who help them get what they were after.

Well I do think there is a spectrum between seeing something as much desired or completely worthless. Cash Shop will perhaps not make the work feel completely worthless, just less important and thus less enjoyable. It may not make it a deal breaker but rather something that nags in the back of your head.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Because I have no life or sanity, I went through the mog station page by page to see what was in it and how it broke down.

In a nutshell, theres around 496 different listings, not items, on the mogstation. To make sure people understand this, Fantasia is one item but has 3 listings for single, triple and penta.

Of those listings, Unique items that are only found on Mogstation that have nothing to do with Account (Ex: Fantasia or Jump Potions), Not from a previous event you couldve gotten the item from if you participated (Ex: Werewolf Costumes from 2018 Halloween), Cross Promotional Items (EX: SDS Fenrir from attending Fanfest, or Amazon Purchase Deals), or commissioned items (EX: Regional Glamours that were imported over), Mog station sells about 90 'Unique' Items.



Minion: Panda Cub
Minion: Doman Magpie
Minion: Wind-up Y'shtola
Minion: Wind-up Yda
Minion: Wind-up Papalymo
Minion: Wind-up Tataru
Minion: Wind-up Urianger
Minion: Wind-up Alisaie
Minion: Wind-up Yuna Account-wide)
Minion: Wind-up Lulu (Account-wide)
Minion: Wind-up Rikku (Account-wide)

Mount: Sunspun Cumulus (Single Character)
Mount: Red Baron (Single Character)
Mount: White Devil (Single Character)
Mount: Aquamarine Carbuncle (Account-wide)
Mount: Sleipnir (Account-wide)~
Mount: Citrine Carbuncle (Account-wide)
Mount: Fat Moogle (Account-wide)
Mount: Mystic Panda (Account-wide)
Mount: Red Hare (Account-wide)
Mount: Indigo Whale (Account-wide)
Mount: Magicked Carpet (Account-wide)
Mount: Bennu (Account-wide)
Mount: Spriggan

Glamour: Blazefire Saber
Glamour: Vega Knuckles
Glamour: l'Cie Bardiche
Glamour: Bladed Lance
Glamour: Starseeker
Glamour: Binding Rod
Glamour: Grimoire Wing
Glamour: Mog's Staff
Glamour: Yshtola modish Attire~
Glamour: Gosetsu's Attire~
Glamour: Hien Attire~
Glamour: Lyse Attire~
Glamour: Aymeric's Attire~
Glamour: Ward Knight Attire~
Glamour: Ward Mage Attire~
Glamour: Ward Knight Weapons (6)~
Glamour: BlackBosom Attire~
Glamour: Black Bosom reaper Collection (5)~
Glamour: Distressed manderville Attire~
Glamour: Emerald carbuncle Attire
Glamour: Topaz carbuncle attire
Glamour: Emerald carbuncle slippers
Glamour: Topaz carbuncle slippers
Glamour: Minfillia Modish Attire~
Glamour: Brave New Yshtola Attire~
Glamour: Nightseeker~
Glamour: Alma's Attire~
Glamour: Krile's Attire~

Housing: Chocobo Chronometer
Housing:Gold Leaf Floor
Housing:Gold Leaf Wall
Housing:Artist Reproductions (4)
Housing:Enormous stuffed Alpha~
Housing:Melodious Mogchestrion
Housing:Upholsterd Gold Wall
Housing:Kasamatsu Gold Wall
Housing:Mini Dreadwyrm Set~
Housing:Carbuncle lamps (3)~

Emote/Cosmetic: : A Wicked Wake
Emote/Cosmetic: Go Go Posing Ranger Pose Set (six emotes total in 3 sets)
Emote/Cosmetic: Heel Toe
Emote/Cosmetic: Goobbue
Emote/Cosmetic: Toast

Orchestrion: HQ Orchestrions x6~


Thats 90 Items. On that List, if you notice the ~, that means it was already an in Game asset they turned into an item you can get. I point that out for anyone whos gonna say "Well it takes up resources" cause some of these things are already existing assets sold to us if we want them. Take out existing assets and we have a number close to 50.

So out of almost 500 listings, only 100 of them are mog station specific, and of those, only like 50 of them are actually unique items that they had to develop. The vast majority of what exists on Mog station, if you break it down by listing, is Glamour items which are predominately from previous events, and account based items (jump potions and dyes), and dyes.

Point is, The cash shop isnt filled with unique things that FFXIV and SE are dumping tons of time into. Most of it is stuff you could have if you were subbed. If they do want to make something cash store specific, it does tend to be mounts. Though considering how many mounts are In Game Vs mogstation specific, its still pretty small.

Mind you my list isnt perfect there, but ti should be proof enough that mogstation isnt fleecing you. The cash shop isnt some huge issue, most of the content in the game by a vast majority is something you gain by playing the game. So can we not do the "Mogstation is cancer" posts and falsely say that its gettign more and more bloated with exclusives when the simple fact is most of it is from in game events or account junk.

Your list is a bit off, as it includes the weapons from the XIII event.

And I'm not sure I'd count the recolors of the Zu or Magitek armors as exclusive.

[NanaWiloh]

Everyime I read this threads title I think of the song Hello from the darkside..

[Fland]

I've just seen a recent video cut from popular Twitch streamer Asmongold and imo he described really well what people's problem may be with a Cash Shop in an MMO.

https://youtu.be/0dPWP-1oiSw?t=790 till 14:15 (1 minute)

Hard paraphrasing:


So even if(!) ingame earned cosmetics wouldn't suffer directly from lack of resources, they will FEEL less important because you can perhaps get something better looking from the Cash Shop. To give an example, it will potentially feel less good/"productive" to farm for a mount when you know that you can get a potentially better looking one from the Cash Shop.

You can go all technical about it and say that it shouldn't matter and that it's your fault for looking at it that way, but it's still something people can't erase from the back of their head and will impair their enjoyment of the game.

SE does not "paywall the best looking rewards" in cash shop because it's entirely a subjective matter.
Not to mention not everyone spend time and effort playing this game to have a "visual edge" or whatever. A lot of people couldn't care less about glamour or collecting mounts.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Oh wow, this Thread is still going...lol