Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Lathander81]

So, i really face palmed at this retort and even more at the "Upvotes".

First off, actual "Smart" people would realize paying the sub is for a multitude of reasons. Such as keeping the servers running, maintenance, content, paying employee's, etc. You're talking about a Triple "A" MMO that is literally the best MMO out there right now. Also these mounts, outfits, etc., that they have in the mogstation are not "In the game" technically speaking. Or else you would be able to obtain them in-game other than the mogstation. They are "Optional Items' as is stated on the mogstation. Everything is purely cosmetic and "Optional". And i don't care but i'm going to say it - You don't need to buy them, it's optional. They give us other free seasonal items throughout the year and now you want to complain because they add something else to the mogstation that you want for free but can't get and you're mad. Get out of here.

Clearly not understanding my issue but want to comment anyway. I facepalm back at you.

They havent given us anything for free..we pay for everything. They can have a cashshop in fact they have multiple ones. Including the one on their square enix website. The real question is at what point is it ok to say when enough is enough? I have seen this Mogstation go from minimal to literally throwing it in your face and e-maila that there are items they want you to buy there.

[Lathander81]

No it doesn't. All your sub money pays for is to get into the park. It does NOT cover anything extra and yes that means your sub means nothing to the mogstation. Again, the only thing your 15 bucks does is let you enter the park which is the main game. That doesn't mean you get everything for free. That's never been how it works. It just means you can play. Anything outside the game, - mogstation- is NOT covered in your 15 bucks.

So we pay them and they make extra content...sounds like an expansion..no then extra extra? Still not enough money? You are foolish if you believe that the money you spend doesnt go into cashshop items. No one is asking for anything free...we all pay my friend.

[Melichoir]

This goes to show people have no reading comprehension. Let me break it down..A seasonal style mount was placed in the cashshop and I think its crossing the line never crossed before by SE. This mount should be available ingame because its a Spriggan which is the mascot for the Spring event. We literally got a Spriggan outfit last year.

The spriggan mount is 'technically' a holiday mount, but only in the sense of when its released, and not perhaps in its intentions or designs. What I mean is that the only thing connecting it to this event is literally that it is a spriggin. Thats it. Now Im not faulting you or anyone who makes the connection the mount is a Holiday event mount. Its a pretty simple conclusion on its face. But theres a bit more to this if you give it more consideration.

The point that is being overlooked is that mount being a spriggin or released during easter does not mean the mount was developed specifically for the event to be given to us through the event. It is very plausible that they were developing a spriggin mount from the get go and felt that now would be a decent time to release it cause Spriggans themselves are the mascot of the event, which would be a pretty good marketing ploy to be frank. It's like releasing an ocean themed mount in summer - you put the two together simply because theyre loosely associated overall, but it doesnt mean that the mount was specifically designed as a summer event mount. The spriggin is the same, particularly since nothing on the spriggin screams easter in of itself. It wouldnt feel to out of place if it was released 2 months ago, or 6 months from now.

The trouble you run into with it being a seasonal mount is that you cant definitively say or prove that SE is being money grubbing and took an event item and through it on the mogstation to fleece people. If anything, the point that this is different than anything they have done before regarding mounts released during seasonal events, paired with the fact that it doesnt have seasonal bells and whistles on it (which previous mounts had direct links to), would suggest the opposite: That this was in development and only released at this time cause it was a good marketing ploy, and not that it was intentionally developed for the event specifically and moved to mog station to fleece people.

The crux of your point seems to rely on the belief that this IS a seasonal mount developed purely because of this event, when you have no proof of this and rely only on "Easter has spriggans, this is a spriggan mount, therefore its seasonal in nature" despite the mount does not have any seasonal drappings and plausible counter explanations can be provided. It looks like you have a gut feeling about something and are pulling together ideas that prove your gut feeling, while discarding any that may run counter to it.

Keep in mind, I dont have any proof of my position either. I could be very well wrong, but this also seems very plausible considering the mount details and basic business practices.

[monk-dps]

So we pay them and they make extra content...sounds like an expansion..no then extra extra? Still not enough money? You are foolish if you believe that the money you spend doesnt go into cashshop items. No one is asking for anything free...we all pay my friend.

Everyone pays to get inside. Thats it. And it doesn't matter where your money goes, you are told what SE counts your money is going. And that is to be able to log it. It has never been to give you mogstation items. Just because Spriggans were used for the vent doesn't mean they are ONLY for said events. They were first a freaking mob in the world. Again, what you're upset about is called marketing. And no, because the mogteam made it we know it wasn't made for the event. It was made for the store period.

[Vivi_Bushido]

I'm fine with cash shop items until they become limited time offers. Once the mog station starts to have time limits for when you can buy the items, that'll be when they have gone to far.

[Fland]

Please look up the term entitled. Then take a peek at the Mogstation. There are a ton of things in there. Also wanting less items in the cashshop and more in the game we pay for is no were near what entitled means.

There are literally hundreds of items that you can get in the game compared to mogstation. It's not even comparable.
Have you got all the items currently in the game?

Also less items in the cash shop does not mean more items in the game. Even if the spriggan mount was not in the cash shop does not mean it would be in the game.
If the spriggan mount was meant to be a seasonal mount, they'd add it in the game and put it in the shop later after the event is over. But they didn't, so that's that.

[Catwho]

I don't mind the optional items in the cash shop because those are what funds the new data center equipment. It paid for the EU data center. It paid for the move from Montreal to CA (which was done largely because the ISP in Montreal sucked, from what I understand.) And it paid for the servers needed to handle the giant 3D areas we had starting in 3.0 - getting rid of PS3 support was only half the equation.... they needed more powerful servers, too.

Data center grade servers are not cheap. I used to do marketing for them. A single server cluster rack can cost tends of thousands of dollars. A data center cluster also needs switches, power supplies, storage, and techs to monitor and maintain them. IT equipment also needs to be replaced every 3-5 years as components go out of warranty and start to risk failure.

Square Enix is notoriously stingy with their budget and is largely paying for FF7R development out of XIV's monthly subscriptions. But the XIV team gets to keep most of their cash shop revenue.

Most of the cash shop mounts I've passed up on. But I splurged on the Fat Cat. I'll probably skip the spriggan, just like I skipped the moogle two seater, and the giant whale.

[Arthrun]

I do not understand people and their absolute desire to have everything handed to them for free. I would just tell you to get another job or stop buying those extra 6 bags of Doritos this month to get the stupid mount that you will get bored with in 3 weeks.

Then again... I see absolutely no value what the Mogstore has to offer....so it honestly does not effect me in any which case..... I just wanted a reason to say I dislike people that whine about everything not being in game. Take basic economics perhaps you will realize why you are unable to afford life.

[Skivvy]

I do not understand people and their absolute desire to have everything handed to them for free. I would just tell you to get another job or stop buying those extra 6 bags of Doritos this month to get the stupid mount that you will get bored with in 3 weeks.

Then again... I see absolutely no value what the Mogstore has to offer....so it honestly does not effect me in any which case..... I just wanted a reason to say I dislike people that whine about everything not being in game. Take basic economics perhaps you will realize why you are unable to afford life.

Posts like this make me wish this forum had a downvote button. :3

Not everyone on the forum is going to agree on any given topic, and that's fine. It's quite easy to have a civil conversation with those you disagree with. But alas, you decided to just come in with some insults which add nothing.

[SamRF]

I've just seen a recent video cut from popular Twitch streamer Asmongold and imo he described really well what people's problem may be with a Cash Shop in an MMO.

https://youtu.be/0dPWP-1oiSw?t=790 till 14:15 (1 minute)

Hard paraphrasing:

I like a subscription game with no Cash Shop much better because it has more integrity. Because, if there is a Cash Shop in an MMO, then what is your progression in the game? It's monetarily efficient for developers to paywall the best looking rewards, which means that in-game progression based off of skill and time investment will be less important because it doesn't have the visual edge.

So even if(!) ingame earned cosmetics wouldn't suffer directly from lack of resources, they will FEEL less important because you can perhaps get something better looking from the Cash Shop. To give an example, it will potentially feel less good/"productive" to farm for a mount when you know that you can get a potentially better looking one from the Cash Shop.

You can go all technical about it and say that it shouldn't matter and that it's your fault for looking at it that way, but it's still something people can't erase from the back of their head and will impair their enjoyment of the game.