Rebalance Savage damage to not require healer dps

[NanaWiloh]

I know this is a troll thread, but wanted to pop in to clarify that the reason for the discrepancy is because DPS from the adds phase is completely ignored for rankings. There’s a nifty textbox on top of the tables that tell you this too.

Its at the bottom of the page actually under ranking polices. As for trolling this far from the worst troll I have seen. During HW read a troll thread where the troll was reading from the Advanced trolling hand book, he was pulling out all the stops using every trick it offered. Fancy words, Insulting peoples intellence, deflection, goal post moving, pulling fact out of thin air, word twisting, throwing facts and claims back in peoples faces. He went for full on no holds bar.

[OndaQ]

Yes! and when you wipe the first time should be a bot that makes the clear for you cause that content is way to dificult and is imposible to clear otherwise.
Self improvement is thing of the past, who want that?, lets makes savage just normal fight with colors.

[Nedkel]

This is blatantly false. I looked at some logs from E8S prog and only around 10% of my GCDs were healing.

Last week my static made a ton of mistakes in E6S and E7S, causing 10 and 11 deaths in each clear. Despite all that I only needed to spend 3.7% and 9.1% of my GCDs on healing. These are pretty close to the worst possible cases for those fights short of wiping, and they still afforded enough time for 179 and 210 GCD damage spells.

The only thing I've found remotely close to taxing as a healer is MP management in post-adds E8S when playing an AST with 1014 Piety, and even that's not a problem as long as I don't need to raise anyone.

Now carry on and go pugging this thing, lol.

[Crushnight]

Sorry no I heavily disagree that this should happen, Savage and Ultimate should absolutely require healers to not half ass their jobs, ignoring their dmg skills is half assing your job even if everyone never dips below 90%hp for more than a sec. You are both a healer and a dpsers deal with it if you enter higher end play, the fact Extreme trials do not require it doesn't mean you can coast on into savage thinking can do the same.

That statement from Yoshi P is outdated by years and years of the Battle design team for savage+ difficulty going lol no, Gordias/Midas says hello, if you wish to prove Yoshi P's statement as truth show me 1 single solid parse from a week 1 group with no healer dps, or a min ilv run with 0 healer dps(savage fights ofc). This ofc limits it to sch/sch only else you have to trust the whm never to Assize when something is hittable same with Ast's Earthly Star even when they want to heal with them .

[Aarchie]

Healers should DPS? Yes.

That's not the issue. But apparently some people forget what the class is: HEALER.
So in the concept healer should spend more time doing healing than dpsing. But what is happening is the other way around. And that's the problem.
If you have DPS spells to use, then use it ofc.

But as a healer, I want to heal and to DPS when I have free time and not heal when I have free time as a DPS/emergency only.

[AdamFyi]

But as a healer, I want to heal and to DPS when I have free time and not heal when I have free time as a DPS/emergency only.

Wait, isn’t that how it already works right now? When there’s nothing to heal, then you throw out some damage spells. When you’re learning the fight, it’s pretty hectic so you throw out healing spells to compensate. Once you get comfortable with the fight, you slowly figure out what healing spells you can trim out because overhealing is a waste of MP. Rinse and repeat for pretty much every encounter.

[Aurida]

So in the concept healer should spend more time doing healing than dpsing. But what is happening is the other way around. And that's the problem.

Right, so take it up with the people doing the fight design. Ask for heal checks that are so hard, so resource-taxing, so HPS-intensive that you literally have zero time to think about pressing damage buttons.

Until they make a fight that comes even remotely close, if you're wasting GCDs on things that aren't damage when there's no healing to be done, then you're not contributing as much as you could be to your team.

[Tridus]

They've already stated numerous times that healer DPS isn't required in savage. If you need it, maybe your DPS need to work harder.

And really, why wouldn't a healer DPS if they can? What should they do, stand around doing nothing when there's no healing to do? That's just silly. People should do the most they can to help clear the content, not try to argue that they should only have to do as little as possible and be carried by everyone else.

[Videra]

Hmm. I like casting Glare, Broil 3, and Malefic 4! I wish I had more, in fact!

[AdamFyi]

Ask for heal checks that are so hard, so resource-taxing, so HPS-intensive that you literally have zero time to think about pressing damage buttons.

We actually do have a very recent example of this: Judgement Formation in TEA. It’s about ~40 second of constant J-Wave pulses that get stronger every hit. Most of the time it starts with both healers at almost max MP and ends with both of them being close to OOM. This is probably why it has such a long cutscene after so that healers can recover, and is also probably why we rarely see anything like it in the middle of an encounter. It’s just not sustainable.