Rebalance Savage damage to not require healer dps

[Lastelli]

This is a mechanic of healing role, the better team you have the less healing they need, idk what is not true in this statement?

The fact that healers can only dps in a good party. If the party perfectly executes all mechanics, a good healer can use 99-100% of its GCD on DPS spells. If someone makes a mistake, it doesn't change much because the healer only needs 1-2 GCD to save the day. If the whole party is terrible what are you even doing in savage content? You won't clear anyway, as savage requires correct execution of most mechanics by all party members.

[Saefinn]

Hmm hard to tell if a troll or not. If not a troll, then I can see where the /might/ be coming from, but maybe not the right answer. Amidst the healer complaints, healer downtime is one, because having a DPS focus on healers now can get boring if there's a chunk of it. Though I suspect the post could be going the other way of the age old debate of "healers should/shouldn't DPS".

And well, my take on that argument is, I think there is /too/ much downtime in a lot of content where it is filled with DPS. But having a greater downtime means the skill floor is lower, so I am on the side of the argument that filling it with more DPS abilities so it's not boring is a good middle ground approach that doesn't touch the skill floor but raises the skill ceiling. With that said, not the ideal solution for /me/, but where I think compromise is not only fair but actually probably the simplest solution when you consider encounter designs.

BUT! I think it is perfectly appropriate for healer DPS to be a part of their support role. Because it has been there since day one, it is arguably a part of the game's design, and you see points in the game hinting quite strongly that DPS is a part of a healer's role. Heck, healer changes for 5.0, despite the impression people getting "this means more of a healing focus, but less of a DPS focus", but was not the case because everything else remained balanced in more-or-less the same way, but DPS was made super simple (and dull IMO).

Other reasons I think DPS is appropriate. Encounter design throughout the entire game isn't requiring you to be particularly heal heavy especially for most of it.
It's also a Final Fantasy game, so it's not only normal in a Final Fantasy game for a character playing the healer to not be healing heavily most of the time, they also have other ways they can contribute to the party, including damage.

So one would expect at Savage level, then you're going to be more pushed and for things to be a lot tighter.

Now, outside of content where it is not important, I'm not going to put any pressure for the healer to DPS, because for a /lot/ of content, it doesn't matter too much and it's a good space for people to practice and not all healers are confident or experienced or as skilled, the only thing I ask of is for people not to be lazy when everybody else is doing their bit, so if you're not confident enough to DPS because you're new to it, then that's not laziness.

However, once you get to savage level, then the expectation is that you are experienced. People want Savage to be challenging, so making it easier is not going to sit well. Especially as we've been getting easy versions since Heavensward. So the devs have already made it more accessible, because in ARR they weren't.

[Jaelommiss]

Savage raids are already taxing on healers

This is blatantly false. I looked at some logs from E8S prog and only around 10% of my GCDs were healing.

Last week my static made a ton of mistakes in E6S and E7S, causing 10 and 11 deaths in each clear. Despite all that I only needed to spend 3.7% and 9.1% of my GCDs on healing. These are pretty close to the worst possible cases for those fights short of wiping, and they still afforded enough time for 179 and 210 GCD damage spells.

The only thing I've found remotely close to taxing as a healer is MP management in post-adds E8S when playing an AST with 1014 Piety, and even that's not a problem as long as I don't need to raise anyone.

[Hyperia]

Healer DPS on savage raids is often required because there are DPS players in the group who are way below what they should be doing. Healer DPS is not needed when all DPS are playing the job at 80% of what the job can do at the minimum iLevel.

[Enla]

And yet another healer damage thread is ignited, while the OP once again is nowhere to be seen after kicking the hornets nest.

As for if this is a troll or not, again if you go to a specific site and type in OPs name you'll notice pretty quickly that it is. They're in the top 10th percentile for healer damage in Savage. Seriously guys nearly every time this thread happens this is how it goes. Some like OP is bored, actually is the opposite of what they claim, never posts again, and yet people take the prompt and run with it.

[Liam_Harper]

Oof, didn't see that. Guess I got taken in, 100% troll thread.

[Canadane]

-looks at a certain site that should not be named-

You mean their posting history?
It doesn't take far to travel to spot these types.

[Enla]

You mean their posting history?
It doesn't take far to travel to spot these types.

That too! xD

[thegreatonemal]

Savage is not balanced with healer dps in mind. Yoshi has stated this in the past Savage is not balanced around healer dps, Healers dps as bonus and because of down time. They also dps cause groups hit the final boss barely making the required dps needed to get it down. Week one clear groups are the numero uno for barely making the required dps on final bosses. Then there is also deaths and player skill adding to dps loss, a dead dps means lower raid dps. Go into a savage final boss with full BiS crafted gear and tome gear(Tome gear that drops with savage) you will easily exceed the required dps if everyone is on the ball.

Uh it is balanced around healer dps until you get to a certain item level which is not bis and its not min ilvl either.

[Deceptus]

This is blatantly false. I looked at some logs from E8S prog and only around 10% of my GCDs were healing.

Last week my static made a ton of mistakes in E6S and E7S, causing 10 and 11 deaths in each clear. .

Now the questions come:

Were those deaths to individual player stupidity? Greed of "just one more positional"? Or could they have been topped off but you didn't want to spend a GCD to heal them.