Patch 5.25 Release Date

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Assuming you can get to a store to pick up new games.

There is something called online shopping and delivery/download.

[FirstnameLastname]

Sadly, they'll always be a step behind augmented tome weapons until the final patch when they can become BiS. The savage raiders would have a meltdown and flood the forums with salty tears if relics were that strong beforehand. Lol.

Thats some serious mental gymnastics there my friend.

A great deal of those you so nonchalantly put in one basket would probably be like "ah sweet an upgrade" and farm it. No idea where you got your twisted perception from.

[Liam_Harper]

490 seems fair, Tome weapons are very easy to get too. The stormblood Relic was pretty much irrelevant until Hydatos and most people did it just for something to do and the other rewards, I saw very few actually glam them. Due to weapon damage being such an important stat, it's unlikely that a 490 would compete with Savage weapons.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Thats some serious mental gymnastics there my friend.

A great deal of those you so nonchalantly put in one basket would probably be like "ah sweet an upgrade" and farm it. No idea where you got your twisted perception from.

He is speaking from experience. The reason all Raid weapons are 5 ilevels higher than the raid/augmented tomestone gear is due to the 2.0 i90 BCoB weapons not being desirable over the i90 Relic weapons and 3.05's i210 Gordian Weapons not being desirable over the i210 Augmented tomestone weapons.

490 seems fair, Tome weapons are very easy to get too. The stormblood Relic was pretty much irrelevant until Hydatos and most people did it just for something to do and the other rewards, I saw very few actually glam them. Due to weapon damage being such an important stat, it's unlikely that a 490 would compete with Savage weapons.

During the previous expansions the release order was the following:

ARR

• i80 - 2.0*
• i90 - 2.0*
• i100 - 2.2
• i110 - 2.28
• i115 - 2.38
• i125 - 2.45
• i135 - 2.51

*Originally appeared in 1.X

HW

• i170 - 3.15
• i200 - 3.15
• i210 - 3.15
• i230 - 3.25
• i240 - 3.3
• i260 - 3.45
• i270 - 3.5
• i275 - 3.55

StB

• i290 - 4.0
• i335 - 4.25
• i340 - 4.25
• i345 - 4.25
• i355 - 4.25
• i360 - 4.36
• i365 - 4.36
• i370 - 4.36
• i375 - 4.45
• i380 - 4.45
• i385 - 4.45
• i390 - 4.55
• i395 - 4.55
• i400 - 4.55
• i405 - 4.55
• i405+ - 4.55

i490 is likely the best place for the 5.25 relics to end and i500 the best place for the 5.3X relics to end.

[Canadane]

ARR

• i80 - 2.0*
• i90 - 2.0*

*Originally appeared in 1.X

Eh? I don't recall anything past Darklight in 1.0, which was i70.
Heck my endgame set consisted of Garudas axe, some overmelded crafted pieces i50 and i46, and some job AF pieces, which are i55.

[TheMightyMollusk]

There is something called online shopping and delivery/download.

Not if you've already preordered a physical copy from a store before everything hit the fan. Especially if it was a limited/collector's edition.

[Ryaz]

He is speaking from experience. The reason all Raid weapons are 5 ilevels higher than the raid/augmented tomestone gear is due to the 2.0 i90 BCoB weapons not being desirable over the i90 Relic weapons and 3.05's i210 Gordian Weapons not being desirable over the i210 Augmented tomestone weapons.

Yep. Relics were originally supposed to be on par with savage weapons each tier, requiring a much longer and time consuming, but easier grind to get. But the raiders were upset and SE dialed it back so relics only became equal at the final step.

Sadly, it makes the grind kinda useless for anything but glam if they follow the Eureka path. Tome gear shouldn't be stronger than the relics.

[ForteNightshade]

Yep. Relics were originally supposed to be on par with savage weapons each tier, requiring a much longer and time consuming, but easier grind to get. But the raiders were upset and SE dialed it back so relics only became equal at the final step.

Sadly, it makes the grind kinda useless for anything but glam if they follow the Eureka path. Tome gear shouldn't be stronger than the relics.

To be fair, Savage is significantly more difficult than grinding out tomes. So... it's a fair complaint. It also renders the Augmented Tome weapons worthless since why spend a 1,000 tomes when that weapon gets replaced probably before you even upgrade the thing?

[Silverquick]

Sadly, they'll always be a step behind augmented tome weapons until the final patch when they can become BiS. The savage raiders would have a meltdown and flood the forums with salty tears if relics were that strong beforehand. Lol.

Plus, SE doesn't want to make tome weapons irrelevant altogether, so they'll be as strong as mid-step Ex-Trial weapons for most steps- better than regular tome gear, but worse than augmented. Or something like that.

People mostly do relics for the glam anyway, which is why I'm hoping they look better than the Eureka one, which were terrible compared to the previous relics, imo.

That would be unfortunate,

I already have all the materials for a Crystarium Weapon and have had them for a long time I was just saving them until the Relic Weapons. So I could see whether I wanted to put it on another job or if Relics were worse put the Crystarium weapon on the one I play the most. They are just really easy to get in comparison to a Relic Weapon.

[Ryaz]

To be fair, Savage is significantly more difficult than grinding out tomes. So... it's a fair complaint. It also renders the Augmented Tome weapons worthless since why spend a 1,000 tomes when that weapon gets replaced probably before you even upgrade the thing?

Tome gear should be weaker than savage gear, definitely. Relic gear I think should depend on how long it takes to grind out.