Some views on DPS balance that everyone cares about

[Akiudo]

No it is not,

It is you misunderstanding just how little RDPS a SMN actually puts out.
SMN has only one party buff and its 5% damage for 15 seconds and that's only once every 3 minutes (CD). Ifrit no longer has the Damaging Shield to other players anymore.

By Contrast the Red Mage Embolden (increases RDM Magic Damage, and other players Melee Damage)... starts out at 10% for 20 seconds... and decreases by 20% every 4 seconds. Its CD is 2 minutes.

Summoner simply does not put out enough RDPS at this point to be significant as a "buff others" job and it is not significant enough to do what you are saying.

But it doesn't take long to look through a lot of logs to see SMN RDPS isn't much different than its ADPS at this point.

that isn't the point, again,

if
smn does 16k dps (personal)+300 as raidbuff
and
blm does 16,1k, no raidbuff

than at this (theoretical) point smn would be stronger than blackmage

BUT
in this same scenario every dancer would buff blackmage over smn, every astro would buff blackmage over summoner, every dragoon would buff blackmage over summoner

this than would show up as
blackmage 17,5k (just for example)
smn 16k

the question is not how much rdps summoner adds, that isn't that much, the question is "on average, how many blackmages will get buffs funneled to them because their personal dps is higher than summoners?"

as everyone and their mother works under the assumption that blackmage/samurai at least win out as far as personal dps is concerned they naturally will get singled out for buffs most of the time, that has nothing to do with the amount a smn buffs the group for, that much while still there indeed isn't "that" much. also i know this may be a hard concept but you don't need to be the absolute strongest class in every content to be op, being the clearly strongest in all the hardest content while at worst "above average" in content way easier all while still offering greater support than every class even above you in what amounts to your weakest kind of content still very much qualifys.

furthermore i never said blackmage/samurai may not very well be stronger in alliance raids, if anything it would make sense for them to be as you can stay in shit and not drop dead if so inclined, and obviously less mobile classes start at a higher baseline, the point however is that buff funneling exists, in fact it happens completly naturally if you want to maximize your own potential, however it makes differences between dps look way better than they in reality are. no i'm not saying smn outright beats blackmage/samurai in alliance raids, i am however saying that the difference thats shown is way smaller in reality than looking at dps rankings makes it out to be, this isn't about smn being 200 dps or so higher, this is about these other classes being 500-1000 lower if not for buff funneling

and again, before someone else needs to remind me how the evil parsing site works . for the alliance raids fflogs actually uses dps, that is the dps actually shown on a parser while hitting the boss, they will still list your raid contribution in a "gave x, received y" way if you open the logs, but the thing you are actually ranked on is in fact simply "dps", single target buffs included

[Miminming]

CMIIW but adps excluded single target buff... so theres almost no point saying blm is getting buffed more etc etc... isnt it?

(also what the point of doing a teamplay maxing burst and buff if pure dps can top their rdps without doing so? i always think pure shouldnt top in rpds but top in adps... )

[Akiudo]

CMIIW but adps excluded single target buff... so theres almost no point saying blm is getting buffed more etc etc... isnt it?

(also what the point of doing a teamplay maxing burst and buff if pure dps can top their rdps without doing so? i always think pure shouldnt top in rpds but top in adps... )

my bad on that, the ranking for the alliance raid is actually pure dps, not adps, thought they changed that whole "excluding single target buffs" around when they switched to rdps rankings, either way it actually lists pure dps, not adps so yes single target buffs count, you can check this out for yourself by comparing some higher end parses if people are bored or whatever, didn't actually knows this myself until i ended up suddenly doing all 99% parses the day i got a dancer buff even though before i only could reach like 94-95, either way feel free to check it, it actually just ranks your dps, so everyone feel free to grab yourself a dancer and move up to the heavens if you still want a great parse.

anyways, will edit my last post as you are right, adps would exclude these things

[Gruntler]

but the thing you are actually ranked on is in fact simply "dps", single target buffs included[/B]

That's untrue. it's rDPS and aDPS, and neither of those are simply your personal dps.

[Akiudo]

That's untrue. it's rDPS and aDPS, and neither of those are simply your personal dps.

at least quote me completly, or complete enough, i specifically mentioned it as something unique to the alliance raids, and again for that one its true, you can check it out for yourself, look at the max of any given class for a boss.

look at the top samurai for 9s

max samurai is 16106,5, now the highest ranked samurai has
16106,5 dps
13,858.3 rdps, after 2248,2 dps points get deducted, this include things like 572,3 dps due to devilment and 726,3 due to standart finish.

max summoner on 9s is 15498, the highest ranked summoner again has
15498 dps
13750,7 rdps, dps given 143,4 deduction of 1890,7, including devilment/standart finish and lady of the crown

max ninja is 13847,3, the highest ranked ninja gives us ... drumroll....
13847,3 dps
13,375.5 rdps , added dps 1370,9. dps deducted 1842,7 inclduding devilment/standart finish and lord of crowns.


you can do this for every class, reason why some classes may differ is that the rankings only show the max off the last two weeks, as long as you only look for classes where the max was set more recently or just go back the last 2 months and manually look at the top of every class line to see the correct dps numbers (as in brackets it still will only list the last 2 weeks, whereas if you look at the graph going back the whole time you can see that say monk actually peaked more than 2 weeks ago), and scroll over the graph and take the max number from there again you will see that it perfectly lines up with the top monks DPS, not aDPS, not rDPS, but simply DPS.

don't call me out for spreading misinformation if you cant be bothered to check for yourself. again, FFLOGS ranks the alliance raid based on DPS, not aDPS nor rDPS so single target buffs do indeed affect the rankings quite heavily