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  1. #21
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    Barraind's Avatar
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Let's be fair, everyone expected this, and if you didnt, I've got a really amazing bridge in the middle of a totally-not-plague-infested hellhole (that used to be nice enough) I think youd be interested in.

    It IS one of the reasons I'm tempted to offload the FC's my alts are holding and take a nice long break though.
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    Last edited by Barraind; 03-16-2020 at 10:06 PM.

  2. #22
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    The scores for MIN/BTN are probably the least volatile overall as there's no skill or significant RNG involved and the only things you can do to speed it up is having cordials to spam and enough stats to meet all of the bonus requirements on nodes. Otherwise, it's just a straight grind...which favors the botters heavily in that regard.

    FSH is very RNG heavy, but I was averaging about 10 gobbiemasks a hour (Which is 15.8K points) by using Double Hook on every one I successfully hooked, using cordials on cooldown, and maximizing the number of moochable fish I got using Patience (Patience II is overkill and the longer duration is counter-productive if you're going to be using Double Hook).

    I think the DoH classes probably have the most skill involved in maximizing their point gains, as while there is a lot of RNG, I find it's usually manageable enough to get max quality most of the time regardless. It's just a matter of spending your CP in a smart way that leaves as little possible left when the craft is finished and making the most of the condition changes. While it is technically possible for people to macro/bot expert recipes if they have high enough stats, the sharp point scaling as collectability increases makes turning in anything that's not maxed or close to maxed significantly less efficient and the macros I've seen barely scrape the 5K mark at best while not actually being much faster then manually getting something to max quality.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 03-16-2020 at 10:35 PM.

  3. #23
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    AnimaAnimus's Avatar
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    Cynric Zerr
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    I made a post about the math behind the diadem achievements. This was obviously going to bring a flood of bots. I just have no idea what is going on at SE these days, everything is either a faceroll or absurd. Is there an intern in charge who has never played an mmo?
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  4. #24
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Maybe SE had made the ultimate honeypot.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  5. #25
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    Vaer's Avatar
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    Character
    Ein Vaer
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    If they're going to keep adding to this, I would be surprised if they aren't cooking up a DoL RNG fest collectable rotation/HQ/hidden item gathering point system as we speak for the next update.
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  6. #26
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    micropanther7's Avatar
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    Peony Foxbriar
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Maybe SE had made the ultimate honeypot.
    ROFL I like the way you think XD

    Now I'm imagining a raid on the Diadem
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  7. #27
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    Azurymber's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Azury Ariella
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    PVP had botters for years.
    They were reported 100s of times.
    They literally just afk ran into a wall ever match.
    SE never banned them.
    There are characters that run gathering bots on some servers nearly non-stop (multiple at a time). And have never been banned. They even have themed names and joke about it outside of the game.

    Don't expect anything to be done about this.
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    Mew!

  8. #28
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    Missbone's Avatar
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    Character
    Fiona Silverstorm
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    How do you even do you even figure out if someone is a bot or not in Diadem? There are also ppl that have just turned off their chat window and doing the same thing over and over again.
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  9. #29
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Character
    Hayk Farsight
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Missbone View Post
    How do you even do you even figure out if someone is a bot or not in Diadem? There are also ppl that have just turned off their chat window and doing the same thing over and over again.
    Multiple reports in our instance of somebody speeding and moving erratically in our instance. I saw him as well, a Lalafell (didn't catch the name in time) who just came down, grabbed the nodes, got on their mount, and then they were off like they flash stepped.
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  10. #30
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Missbone View Post
    How do you even do you even figure out if someone is a bot or not in Diadem? There are also ppl that have just turned off their chat window and doing the same thing over and over again.
    There is a very high chance that any max level BTN/MIN who is using Preparation (The buff with the magnifying glass icon) is a bot, as the skill is not automatically toggled on and is completely useless in the Diadem (And mostly useless elsewhere as all it is does it tell you how much perception you need to gather an item as HQ, which is easily met by just not using horribly outdated gear). As I mentioned in an early post, the skill seems to have been re-purposed as the trigger that enables their botting script once they have the associated third party program running in the background.

    They also have an awkward zig-zagging movement pattern due to being programmed to just go directly between a relatively small number of different coordinates arranged in a circuit around the zone.

    Unresponsiveness is easily the worst way to judge whether someone's a bot because a lot of people just don't like talking.
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