There is a distressing amount of DoL bots in the Diadem and it has to be stopped.

[KageTokage]

I'm definitely not going to dismiss that bots are a problem. First time I came back from Diadem to put some stuff up for sale, I knew right then and there that they monopolized the market. However, I just can't be bothered to pay any attention to them while I am out gathering. Trying to figure out their patterns, taking note of their behaviour, keeping track of how many there are; why do this?

I am not sure if it is good or bad that I simply ignore them, and live complacently among them. What I do know is bad is if I was to obsess over them in such a way that it impacts the things I want to get done during my playtime. Perhaps I do my part by simply farming my own materials. I am not sure, but I have more fun that way.

I honestly don't go out of my way to identify them, since the circular layout of the Diadem inevitably means I'm going to encounter everyone in the instance sooner or later.

Their red flags have not changed a bit since the HW days, so noticing them is practically instinctive to me at this point, and I have a hard time simply putting them out of mind knowing that they're constantly hassling legit players in one way or another.

I suppose I'm just clinging to some small hope that the problem is going to escalate to a point where the devs decide it simply can't be ignored anymore.

[Videra]

Last I checked SE barely does anything about overworld botting, why would they suddenly change tact now?

[RayddenPrime]

I already made a Restoration-related topic about a related issue, but this one has blown up rather suddenly and felt it needed to known about immediately.

I saw almost 10 different bots in a recent Diadem instance in the wee hours of the morning, which when split among the entire data center does not seem like much, but with only 12 Saint of the Firmament spots available to each DoL class per server, it is definitely a potential problem depending on whether or not they can actually catch up to the legit players who really dug their feet in before the new botting scripts were publicized.

These guys are almost certainly trying to cheat the rankings as the amount of profit to be made in there is rather small with how flooded the market board is with materials from the myriads of other players chasing a top spot through legitimate means.

There are players who have been pulling long shifts of 12+ hours legitimately to get into the top 12 for the DoL classes, and it would be awful if any of them got kicked out by these lazy do-nothings who want all the rewards with no effort, especially considering how limited the Saint of the Firmament title is going to be according to present information (The next ranking period was claimed to only be starting in 5.3).

It was never acceptable for botting to be as prevalent as it's been up to now with the impact it's had on the market board and other aspects of gameplay, but when it's now actively interfering with a ranking system that has limited rewards it's crossed a new line. However, when my previous reports on bots have literally never yielded any results, I'm feeling a touch reluctant to even bother trying anymore.

TLDR: Diadem botters are trying to cheat their way to the top and they need to be purged immediately.

I am not very competitive to care , i just wanna be able to get my rewards and i can be happy. But i don’t even need to read a lot of what you wrote to believe you. Its a game, and with games comes cheaters...there will always be cheaters. Idk why even play if you gonna cheat or use bots..its like u are just a faker.like its embarrassing , are they proud of themselves? So i say just keep reporting each time u think there is a bot or cheaters, it will do great service to actual players playing properly. And don’t worry about people judging u for think there are cheaters or not. We are all gamers , we know lowly cheaters are part of the gaming world. And will always be part of the gaming world. Those who would judge u or critic you for thinking someone might be cheating or using bots or scripting or etc...the ones judging or criticizing you for think so might be the actual cheaters ...or are just pathetic.

[KageTokage]

I've started seeing some DoH botters skyrocketing through the rankings, too.

Or at least I'm assuming they're botting judging from prior history of doing it on DoL classes coupled with a tendency to stay logged on all night with DND enabled while on a crafting class.

I feel like they should've just left the collectability on expert recipes uncapped to give people doing them without macros/bots an even bigger edge.

[reivaxe]

Yeeeeah, I've been looking at the ranks and I have no clue how someone could be pulling these numbers with the amount of points I get from 1 straight hour of grinding in there. Smells like bots or shared accounts to me. But who knows, maybe someone can "Umm, actually" me on the math here that would convince me a person could pull it off.

[KageTokage]

Yeeeeah, I've been looking at the ranks and I have no clue how someone could be pulling these numbers with the amount of points I get from 1 straight hour of grinding in there. Smells like bots or shared accounts to me. But who knows, maybe someone can "Umm, actually" me on the math here that would convince me a person could pull it off.

Keep in mind that it's possible to horde turn-ins then do them all at once for whatever reason; though I honestly can't think of any reason other then trolling people who thought they were in a secure position in the top 12.

[reivaxe]

Keep in mind that it's possible to horde turn-ins then do them all at once for whatever reason; though I honestly can't think of any reason other then trolling people who thought they were in a secure position in the top 12.

Yeah, you can horde stuff to turn them in.

But there's math to this. Some how 1st place is gathering enough to have around double the amount of points as 2nd-3rd-4th place.
Just how much would someone have to gather to have 500-600K+ in a single gathering job this soon after release?

[Vaer]

Yeah, you can horde stuff to turn them in.

But there's math to this. Some how 1st place is gathering enough to have around double the amount of points as 2nd-3rd-4th place.
Just how much would someone have to gather to have 500-600K+ in a single gathering job this soon after release?

If you meet certain stat break points (usually through melding) and know how the node mechanics work you will vastly out point someone just from efficiency. Same with Fisher. When I first started I was using a really inefficient method to catch the point fish. Losing a double hook on Gobbiemask is painful.

The thing with it being a competition is that the players who are trying to hold rank are not going to tell everyone what they are doing because they don't want to be displaced. Of course, botting/account sharing is also in the realm of possibility but stats matter here, especially for gatherers. After that it's just time spent.

[Rufalus]

Yeah, you can horde stuff to turn them in.

But there's math to this. Some how 1st place is gathering enough to have around double the amount of points as 2nd-3rd-4th place.
Just how much would someone have to gather to have 500-600K+ in a single gathering job this soon after release?

Check out Ragnarok (Chaos DC) . Top fishers have scores in the millions. This is such an insane world to race on.

[Stormfur]

I've seen characters bot in Diadem and reported them FWIW. I don't think anything will come of it because "it's just a title" (which still aggravates me to no end. Reminds me of when we got earrings for winning in Feast grrrr)

What I'm saying is... crafters deserve a Mylodon mount. It is Ishgard, after all.