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    Caimie Tsukino
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleanse View Post
    Reflect makes the most sense if using Patient Touch to win. I tried Muscle Memory, but it felt unnecessary to need to also IQ.
    Yes, that is my approach as well.

    I tried using MusMem opener, but it doesn't work as nice as Reflect opener for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Any preferences on openers? I've seen Muscle Memory or Reflect + Ven and dig for Rapids, or Reflect and a slower Observe + Focus while utilizing procs on quality and Centred on Rapid. All have both worked for max and failed max. Muscle Memory feels very tied to Rapid success, since miss-miss-miss-Groundwork, no Pliant and having to start from IQ 1 is a fairly rough start. I'd imagine for consistent results you'd want to max progress with as little rng as possible.
    I usually use Veneration+RapidSynx2, +RapidSyn to get progress done at the beginning while durab is still high. It seems to work fine. Of course, I also adjust it according to conditions too. Sometimes going the naked Rapid Syn first.

    Quote Originally Posted by MN_14 View Post
    There are no openers. Progress is taken care of based on your situation and it occurs throughout the craft.

    Personally, I rarely use veneration unless I'm behind in progress and have excess CP. Even when it is up, I might not end up taking advantage of it.
    I don't know... I tried a little bit. But conditions don't seem to pop so easily when I need them, so a lot of times, I tried to bait conditions.... First, I'll just keep hasty spamming until durab is relatively low... around 35 or 30. Then I'll pop WN just to delay it a bit further until the first Pliant procs for Manip. But sometimes, it just doesn't happen, and I have to just hard-boot Manip at 96 CP. Then if Pliant appears, I can WN2. If Pliant comes when WN and Manip are all up, then I'll either MM if the durab is really low, or I'll go Prep Touch, which I found to be very effective under Pliant and WN/WN2. In fact, lately, I prefer Prep Touch over MM -- It's better to secure that large chunk of quality instead of boosting 30 durab which you easily lose from hasty anyway.
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 03-15-2020 at 10:55 AM.

    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino