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  1. #51
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    SamRF's Avatar
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    Kiro Isamu
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing
    But did you die? If so, was it from unavoidable damage or from undodged AoE and mechanics? I very rarely see a healer who lets the party die by unavoidable damage while they were just dpsing.

    I've seen people get upset when their health is lacking and see the healer dps, even though they don't die (idk why you're complaining then). If the healer knows the fight, they can safely let your HP edge while they wait till you either took sufficient damage to justify the heal, or they wait on oGCD cooldown. Staying alive is all that matters, amount of HP is not.

    Many 8 man healers overheal so you'll often find 1 healer mostly dps, especially when the other healer refuses to dps at all.
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    Xant'cha Argoth
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    Someone has a chip on their shoulder
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  3. #53
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    Ea Sin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing
    This comment is why good healers often don't get coms.
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  4. #54
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing
    Cause most Scholar healing comes from oGCD and are strong ?
    This isn't because you don't see Scholar cast bar be a heal that he doesn't heal.
    That's a misconception A LOT of player do. Thinking scholar doesn't heal at all while he does, but it's "invisible" and so it's better thinking that's the other who do all the work.
    It's not.

    65% of player complaining about scholar not healing don't understand how it's played.

    OR...

    The other healer is panicked everytime and overheal like crazy.
    Succor/adlo spamming is absolutely not efficient from a healing/dps/mana perspective.

    Healer role is already in a bad spot gameplay-wise to don't need people's whining while they don't understand a thing at it
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 03-15-2020 at 02:49 AM.

  5. #55
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing
    I heal as much as neccessary for everyone to survive, given they play somewhat decently.
    If I know for a fact you can't die (not even from stupidity) for the next 20s, I'm not going to heal right away. I'll wait until some strong oGCD comes off cd and let natural hp reg do its thing while I do something useful like using the time to dps. And if I have a co-healer who fights for every bit of hps and immediately heals everyone to full hp... why should I start a dick fight and do the same? In that case my time and resources are spent much better on dps.

    It's not a healer's responsibility to heal every little bit of missing HP, it's only to make sure everyone survives. If you didn't die, you have no reason to complain. And just because you don't see a healer spamming GCD heals doesn't mean he isn't healing. Where do think the sparkly little Seraph or the fairy hot comes from? Or that blue circle on the ground? From a SCH actively healing.
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  6. #56
    Player deadman1204's Avatar
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    Fransisco Acutus
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    Are the SCHs not healing damage that needs to be healed, or do you think every little scrape needs to be taken care of? Most WHMs I've run into can't stand to see someone missing 10 hp without dropping a cure II.
    not healing at all really. But more importantly, also not shielding people either....
    Never rezzing if dps makes a mistake.
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  7. #57
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    Jets Down
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    Ya, this is about 65% of all SCH I've grouped with. Even in 8mans and alliance raids as the other healer, I swear SCH think the fairie is all they need to do for healing
    Did you know the game actively encourages healing at the last minute through extra lb generation, Sch is an ogcd powerhouse when used correctly and ogcds have no cast times you won't see it, then players also have a tool (that is most annoying for healer players) that allows them to turn off all effects, this includes stuff like sacred soil can't tell you how many tanks run out of this for no reason.

    Usually if a sch is just standing there dpsing they have already planned ahead and deem it safe to do so, they also probably expected the party to not take any avoidable damage thus it is on the offending party member/s fault for taking that damage then it goes a priority healing system depending on situation.

    The days of the octopus nope gif on page 1 of the gif thread are far far behind current sch.
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  8. #58
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    Flan Vongola
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    Raiden
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    Warrior Lv 90
    It would be nice if MCH could be stronger as some melees w/ raid buffs and utility. Like at least, MCH could be at the same dmg output like them. (DRG? I think)
    Technician has a long cooldown, works at 1 or 2 aoe's at most and doesnt increase any damage. Once dead, you'll have to recollect enough heat and battery gauge (if Barrel Stabilizer on CD, which should be always). Just my 2 cents though.
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Did you know the game actively encourages healing at the last minute through extra lb generation, Sch is an ogcd powerhouse when used correctly and ogcds have no cast times you won't see it, then players also have a tool (that is most annoying for healer players) that allows them to turn off all effects, this includes stuff like sacred soil can't tell you how many tanks run out of this for no reason.

    Usually if a sch is just standing there dpsing they have already planned ahead and deem it safe to do so, they also probably expected the party to not take any avoidable damage thus it is on the offending party member/s fault for taking that damage then it goes a priority healing system depending on situation.

    The days of the octopus nope gif on page 1 of the gif thread are far far behind current sch.
    This, if you see a SCH hard casting a heal in any content above Lv. 52 then something is seriously wrong. Especially in +Lv.78 content because our Sacred Soil is legitimately one of the best heals in the entire game right now - between it's mitigation and strong regen tick. Also yes, it is a legitimate tactic to Art of War spam during mass pulls because by the time we're out of aetherflow options there's usually fewer mobs that we have to worry about which makes healing all the easier. Recitation + Excog + Aetherpact (and maybe an Adlo if I'm worried) is generally my healing strategy in higher level dungeons because unless the tank is eating damage like it's going out of style, that's generally all that's needed. Art of War down the mobs and by the time the tank might be in danger usually most of them are about to die, or enough of them are dead to let me use a Lustrate or Adlo to solve the matter.
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    not healing at all really. But more importantly, also not shielding people either....
    Never rezzing if dps makes a mistake.
    Preshielding is not necessary unless you cannnot survive a regular, unavoidable aoe without it.
    If that's the case you are either grossly under geared for the content or collected stacks like Pokémon and both is on you.

    I preshield pulls with my healers because it give me more time to dps. The more I can do on the run the less I have to do during the actual fight. But I'm not preshielding aoes or tankbusters because it's a waste of time.
    Simply healing the damage taken with one of my more efficient ogcds is far better than hardcasting adlo to preshield for a tiny amount.

    And if swift is on CD I don't hardcast ress unless shit hit the fan and we absolutely need that person alive asap. Otherwise I wait the few sec until it comes off CD and instant ress. Not to mention you don't always have the time to stand still for 7sec while dpsing is still possible because of the short casts.
    You died from something avoidable? Wait till swift comes off CD and if someone more important (= healer, tank, someone generally playing mechanics well) is also dead, get in line. They're first.
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