Samurai Sword Pressure/Shoha Stacks

[Burningskull]

The literal entirety of SAM's cinematic presence begs to differ, the very concept the job design team drew from, and even the name of the ability all beg to differ.

I'm not sure why you would loose that without the cast time. You are still building power in your katana thanks to Sens and Kenki, and then releasing it with Iaijutsu. The cinematic presence would still be there the animation would just play faster like it does with the min cool down ability. (I can't remember Japanese names easily)

[Shurrikhan]

I'm not sure why you would loose that without the cast time. You are still building power in your katana thanks to Sens and Kenki, and then releasing it with Iaijutsu. The cinematic presence would still be there the animation would just play faster like it does with the min cool down ability. (I can't remember Japanese names easily)

"Cinematic presence" as in every time SAM is present in a cinematic, they spend nearly its entire in-combat screen-time focusing on exactly that, his charged-up, measured quick-draw, which is exactly what Iaijutsu refers to. Iaijutsu itself is focused on quick-draw techniques, when the sword is drawn, slays, and is quickly resheathed thereafter.

[Eliadil]

I think if they removed the cast time on Iaijutsu using Shoha in between your double Midares wouldn't be a problem. Then you wouldn't need extra stacks of Meditation.

let's not
The required stillness of Iaijutsu is what allows the skill to be this strong too and have no cooldown. Make Samurai able to move freely for it's whole rotation and you take away a part of its complexity. I mean, you take away the good part. Bad part is still tsubame optimization. It gets so important to know how to use this skill properly on some fights that requires heavy movement, removing the cast time would just make the class way too strong imo. It's a bit like dragoon jumps making them die in an aoe. You die if you don't plan properly ahead. Or ninjas using ten chi jin. This just pulls us closer to monk, making us a better monk in fact. And that we don't wanna, seeing how few peoples play monk right now.

Yes they removed the cast time of Tsubame, but that was mostly because two whole GCDs of stillness is not possible for a melee, especially since you can't delay the second one.

[Shurrikhan]

let's not
The required stillness of Iaijutsu is what allows the skill to be this strong too and have no cooldown. Make Samurai able to move freely for it's whole rotation and you take away a part of its complexity. I mean, you take away the good part. Bad part is still tsubame optimization. It gets so important to know how to use this skill properly on some fights that requires heavy movement, removing the cast time would just make the class way too strong imo. It's a bit like dragoon jumps making them die in an aoe. You die if you don't plan properly ahead. Or ninjas using ten chi jin. This just pulls us closer to monk, making us a better monk in fact. And that we don't wanna, seeing how few peoples play monk right now.

Yes they removed the cast time of Tsubame, but that was mostly because two whole GCDs of stillness is not possible for a melee, especially since you can't delay the second one.

Ehh, once you get used to using Haga (or just go for such insane speeds that when running with BLM and MCH it's not worth using Haga and thereby wasting progress towards a third of a Shoha), Tsubame isn't too bad. I just hate when it fails to queue due to latency and that there's no option to share the key with Iaijutsu itself, since you can never use it except immediately after Iaijutsu anyways.

[Eliadil]

Ehh, once you get used to using Haga (or just go for such insane speeds that when running with BLM and MCH it's not worth using Haga and thereby wasting progress towards a third of a Shoha), Tsubame isn't too bad. I just hate when it fails to queue due to latency and that there's no option to share the key with Iaijutsu itself, since you can never use it except immediately after Iaijutsu anyways.

I'd be cool with Tsubame if there was a possibility to get it on cooldown without using fillers, who feels for me at least not intended by the devs.
I do agree that Hagakure makes you bypass this issue in a sense, but it makes the rotation too convoluted to make sense to anyone that wants to try to learn to play sam optimally. Every class kinda has a natural feeling to it, a feeling that makes peoples see what they need to do in order to play properly. Sam on the other hand, good luck figuring out what to do with tsubame.

[Liam_Harper]

It's a combination of instant use Tsubame and change to Hagakure that have caused most of Samurai issues, honestly. I'm not sure why Yoshi thought that Sam was too complicated to play before when removing Hagakure is what lead to the really strict rotations we have now with fillers and the like. Sam was actually easier when you could adapt. Lol.

Hagakure in SB was in a perfect spot where you could actually ignore it existed outright, giving you a super easy rotation and still pull orange in most content. With that and Seigan giving you an edge, the class was the perfect definition of easy to play but hard to master. It had the little tricks to push a few extra % if you wanted to go further. It was rewarding to play Sam well, but not punishing if you weren't great at it.

Current Sam is indeed more strict and actually more beginner-complex. It's in a great spot dps-wise, but it was more fun in SB and I moved to other classes myself.

I'd say Shoha has been a mess from the start though. Tying it to Meditate was a poor idea and getting "Meditate" stacks from whacking things makes little sense now, it was obvious they just didn't know what to do for the 80 ability. It is strange they reworked Shoha (which could be ignored previously, so wasn't the biggest issue ever), but are stubborn on Tsubame though.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd be cool with Tsubame if there was a possibility to get it on cooldown without using fillers, who feels for me at least not intended by the devs.

I actually like it for that reason more than not, but I get where you're coming from. Personally, I play at such a high speed that I either have to fill 6 or delay by 3, so I typically just end up going for the Midare extra per TG when I have perfect uptime. It makes me wish SkS was a better stat in general, though, so that option would be open to people who care about performing optimally. (I haven't been in that group since I stopped playing with a static. I'll "tryhard", but not to the point that I have to play something dull to me.)

I do agree that Hagakure makes you bypass this issue in a sense, but it makes the rotation too convoluted to make sense to anyone that wants to try to learn to play sam optimally. Every class kinda has a natural feeling to it, a feeling that makes peoples see what they need to do in order to play properly. Sam on the other hand, good luck figuring out what to do with tsubame.

And admittedly removing Hagakure for a patch and then making it a trap for yet another patch certainly did learners no favor...