(5.2 spoilers) The Defector

[Cilia]

As for the 14th Convocation member, the gender NPCs refer to them as changes depending on the player's gender. If your WoL is male the 14th is referred to as male, and as female if yor WoL is female. That plus the scene where Emet goes "No, it can't be" when he sees an Ancient in the WoL's place really leaves little room for doubt that the 14th is the WoL. But the 14th is not Venat, an Ancient in the Anyder scene specifically said the 14th was not going to help summon Hydaelyn.

Can you recall an instance where the Fourteenth is specifically referred to using gendered pronouns? Every instance I've seen just refers to them using ambiguous language (they). "Hythlodaeus" and Emet-Selch don't ever specify who they're talking about, and it's unclear who Emet-Selch sees after Ardbert merges his soul with the WoL's. I agree that it's plausibly (if not probably) the Fourteenth, but there isn't enough information to decisively conclude as much. Unless JP/FR/DE isn't as ambiguous (English is an unusually gender-neutral language, you know...)

That said the Fourteenth is not Venat. That much is off the table.

[MikkoAkure]

Can you recall an instance where the Fourteenth is specifically referred to using gendered pronouns? Every instance I've seen just refers to them using ambiguous language (they). "Hythlodaeus" and Emet-Selch don't ever specify who they're talking about, and it's unclear who Emet-Selch sees after Ardbert merges his soul with the WoL's. I agree that it's plausibly (if not probably) the Fourteenth, but there isn't enough information to decisively conclude as much. Unless JP/FR/DE isn't as ambiguous (English is an unusually gender-neutral language, you know...)

That said the Fourteenth is not Venat. That much is off the table.

Hythlodaeus uses your characters pronouns when he talks about the person during his time who shared your soul.

Hythlodaeus: Hm hm hm... Your connection is hardly a coincidence. In our time, the two of you were one─the color of your souls tells the tale.
Hythlodaeus: A hue that distinctive cannot be mistaken, no matter how thin the soul is spread.
Hythlodaeus: Hah! This is just the kind of fate I might expect for one such as she. Surely Emet-Selch has recognized the hint of “her” in you...?

Also I believe they called Venat "she" or "her" after the CS if you talk to the NPCs but it's too late to check back on that. I thought there must've been something there because I had forgotten that Venat was female until that quest.

Back on topic, I'm thinking now that the reason for us being the defector may be to make us sort of an anti-ascian who will be as powerful but not necessarily on any one side. We've already shown shades of this throughout the game as we've put down ascians one-by-one and even Thordan is scared of what we are.

[MrThinker]

Hythlodaeus uses your characters pronouns when he talks about the person during his time who shared your soul.

Hythlodaeus: Hm hm hm... Your connection is hardly a coincidence. In our time, the two of you were one─the color of your souls tells the tale.
Hythlodaeus: A hue that distinctive cannot be mistaken, no matter how thin the soul is spread.
Hythlodaeus: Hah! This is just the kind of fate I might expect for one such as she. Surely Emet-Selch has recognized the hint of “her” in you...?

Also I believe they called Venat "she" or "her" after the CS if you talk to the NPCs but it's too late to check back on that. I thought there must've been something there because I had forgotten that Venat was female until that quest.

Back on topic, I'm thinking now that the reason for us being the defector may be to make us sort of an anti-ascian who will be as powerful but not necessarily on any one side. We've already shown shades of this throughout the game as we've put down ascians one-by-one and even Thordan is scared of what we are.

While I am a proponent of the Warrior being the Fourteenth, that quote in particular does not specify us as the 'Fourteenth', simply as an old friend of Hythlodaeus and Hades. I too, like Vulcwen, heard rumours that the French version is more explicit in using gendered pronouns to refer to the Fourteenth them self, that change depending on the player character, but again, have not seen any concrete proof.

Also, in regards to Venat, the Scions do not refer to them in any gendered way in English. Again, maybe other languages are more explicit, but no proof atm.

[YianKutku]

Can you recall an instance where the Fourteenth is specifically referred to using gendered pronouns? Every instance I've seen just refers to them using ambiguous language (they). "Hythlodaeus" and Emet-Selch don't ever specify who they're talking about, and it's unclear who Emet-Selch sees after Ardbert merges his soul with the WoL's. I agree that it's plausibly (if not probably) the Fourteenth, but there isn't enough information to decisively conclude as much. Unless JP/FR/DE isn't as ambiguous (English is an unusually gender-neutral language, you know...)

That said the Fourteenth is not Venat. That much is off the table.

It's not clear, yeah. The clear part is that we (the WoL) used to be Emet-Selch's friend, and the gender changes depending on our character, but it's not explicit that Emet-Selch's friend was the Fourteenth.