Entire parties are now leaving ocean fishing early to chase title(s)

[Espritduo]

So people who want the titles are engaging in bad behavior no matter what they do? Why not blame the people who implemented conflicting goals to begin with? That's bad design. I saw the same kind of shaming attempts when PotD and HoH were new and some people were grinding silver chests for the weapons instead of speed running for xp. The fact is players have every right to get rewards that were intentionally put in the game and that doesn't make them a-holes.

Simply put, yes. And I have the same opinion of the people who make POTD and HoH miserable by yelling at/kicking players who don't want to do a speed run OR who want to pick up every single silver chest to the detriment of the group. You don't have to do either extreme, you can just...do the dungeon like a normal, friendly group and get decent silver AND decent exp without being an a-hole. Same goes here, you can just work on the title achievements with what you get instead of intentionally sabotaging the rest of the group for your own gains. Purposely stalling currents to get the titles only gives you a marginal advantage, since the other groups WILL be trying to spawn them. Just do what you can to rack up jellyfish or whatever and hope for the best, without resorting to sabotaging the rest of the group.

Is it bad game design? Sure, but again, that doesn't excuse bad behavior to get around it. Incredibly long cutscenes in Prae was bad game design, but that didn't make cutscene skippers who ruined the experience for new players right. Now if it was ONLY possible to get these achievements by working against the other two groups? I would just refuse to do the achievement then, and wait until they fix it, since a situation like that would undoubtedly be addressed. Which is exactly what I am doing right now, ignore the title achievements and focusing on the other things I need to do in there.

[Reinha]

you can just work on the title achievements with what you get instead of intentionally sabotaging the rest of the group for your own gains.

Same could be said about those who are not helping with titles and just aim for a high score. You can refuse to do the achievement but you don't get to decide what goals are the most important for everyone. It's arrogant to think everyone else should handicap themselves to help you achieve what you want.

[Shofie]

It's arrogant to think everyone else should handicap themselves to help you achieve what you want.

This can be equally applied to title hunters and spectral fishers. So who's right, then? Who gets precedent? Who has to bend to help the other?

[Jojoya]

This can be equally applied to title hunters and spectral fishers. So who's right, then? Who gets precedent? Who has to bend to help the other?

No one? If you're queuing solo or with a light party, you need to be expected to get matched to random players with random goals that may not align to yours.

If you want a group that's going to be focused on getting the specific things you want, create a pre-made full party before you queue.

[Shofie]

No one? If you're queuing solo or with a light party, you need to be expected to get matched to random players with random goals that may not align to yours.

If you want a group that's going to be focused on getting the specific things you want, create a pre-made full party before you queue.

Oh, I entirely agree. But the argument for a bit has more or less pitted title chasers and mount hunters against each other for whatever reason. So realistically, both have a right to be mad at each other, or neither do, and that's basically where we're at with this topic.

[Reinha]

If you're queuing solo or with a light party, you need to be expected to get matched to random players with random goals that may not align to yours.

Exactly. Players who try to pressure or intimidate or shame others into giving up their goals are actually breaking the rules. Compelling a play style isn't allowed. And this isn't some ice mage roleplay but an officially supported play style since those achievements were introduced by the developers.