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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Quote Originally Posted by WK74648 View Post
    So right now I'm stuck on E7.
    The raid does fine till we get to the light/dark phase combined with the portals. But when the 2nd wave comes through the portal, half of the raid is dead and we can never recover.
    how do you feel about it? Seems too punishing for a fast reacting mechanic.
    Initially it is a bit overwhelming, even for me as a raider with 10 years of experience. I got gibbed twice because I thought for too long and my brain overcomplicated things.

    The mechanic is actually really, really simple and necessitates only one tiny position change.

    EG: you have the white buff
    1st beam (purple) goes into the red portal. -> stand in front of red.
    2nd beam (white) comes out of the blue portal -> your color changed to purple after being hit the first time so stand in front of a blue portal.


    That's all you have to do.
    If you stand at the edge of one square, you only have to make 1 step onto the adjoining square between the two beams and can disregard the entire visual chaos.

    Once more people understand that, the boss will be trivially easy. No need to avoid it at all.
    Portals w/o the colored beam are actually more complicated, because you need to move 2x.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    And if not: wipe it and try again.
    I think this is the crux. Far too many people have a problem with wiping a few times and tend to abort runs etc.

    FF-XIV is a game that relies on dazzling and overloading your visual input with clutter and unnecessary bling.
    So, sometimes you need to see things happen 3x-5x to understand what's going on.

    Once you do, you realize that it is all very, very easy and since normal modes have no enrages to speak of, you don't have to worry about maintaining optimal class output during the execution of mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Once you do, you realize that it is all very, very easy and since normal modes have no enrages to speak of, you don't have to worry about maintaining optimal class output during the execution of mechanics.
    Fun fact, Shiva at the end of her 2nd phase in E8 will endlessly spam her room-wide aoe if the party hasn't killed her in time. That's not necessarily an 'enrage' per se, but healers may have a tough time repeatedly doing group heals before the party manages to push phase. Or at least I found that my DF healers instantly died alongside all the dps after 5 bursts of the aoe.... (they were at mostly full health before that 5th aoe)
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    Nariel Cendrenuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Fun fact, Shiva at the end of her 2nd phase in E8 will endlessly spam her room-wide aoe if the party hasn't killed her in time. That's not necessarily an 'enrage' per se, but healers may have a tough time repeatedly doing group heals before the party manages to push phase. Or at least I found that my DF healers instantly died alongside all the dps after 5 bursts of the aoe.... (they were at mostly full health before that 5th aoe)
    Its called a soft-enrage, its a race between the team killing it before Healer run out of MP. The softer are just spammed to no end, the harder one get stronger every time until none is left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Fun fact, Shiva at the end of her 2nd phase in E8 will endlessly spam her room-wide aoe if the party hasn't killed her in time. That's not necessarily an 'enrage' per se, but healers may have a tough time repeatedly doing group heals before the party manages to push phase.
    Yes I can see how it might catch healers unaware, I found no problem healing it for extended periods of time, esp when the raid stacks.
    If you are mana starved after a messy run and a lot of rezzes... yeah that phase might get ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Fun fact, Shiva at the end of her 2nd phase in E8 will endlessly spam her room-wide aoe if the party hasn't killed her in time. That's not necessarily an 'enrage' per se, but healers may have a tough time repeatedly doing group heals before the party manages to push phase. Or at least I found that my DF healers instantly died alongside all the dps after 5 bursts of the aoe.... (they were at mostly full health before that 5th aoe)
    Psh, laughs in Thin Air - Pressence of Mind - Cure 3 spam.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Fun fact, Shiva at the end of her 2nd phase in E8 will endlessly spam her room-wide aoe if the party hasn't killed her in time. That's not necessarily an 'enrage' per se, but healers may have a tough time repeatedly doing group heals before the party manages to push phase. Or at least I found that my DF healers instantly died alongside all the dps after 5 bursts of the aoe.... (they were at mostly full health before that 5th aoe)
    Tanks also have shields/reprisal that can be used, Ranged have their party wide mitigation skill, and Casters have addle to make it easier on the healers. They're just not frequently used in DF. Once gear levels increase it won't even matter as much as the dps will be so high she'll only get to cast it once or twice. I was already in a group where Shiva was 5% before it started and didn't get many casts off.
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