It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Gula]

Remember that time in ARR when the WoL and their companions fought Ifrit and one of them was a Samurai dressed like a combat android from another universe? Oh, and the healer was a White Mage, that super banned form of magic wearing the formal battle garb of Shisui swim wear?

No?

Guess I'm the only one.

[Wavaryen]

Out of curiosity, are you posting on your main character?

Yes. Would love to see why you asked this.

I haven't seen anyone explain why this is a bad idea any better than "because I don't like it".

Ok here is reasons why.

Fashion is a statement, and is a money maker for players and it is a social aspect of the game. Players able to disable it, not only turns off an aspect of what many people spend millions of gil on. It would suck having to manage two sets of gear to make said statement.

and another reason is. I don't like people having the power to control what I look like. That is it. I mean that alone would be enough, but all of it is more valid than immersion.

[Zabuza]

Allow me to list a few of the canon, SquareEnix-created Squadron Recruit NPCs who may show up for your Grand Company squadron:

• Seserikku, a lalafell who shows up dressed in a snowman costume.
• Crilde, an elezen who shows up dressed as a reindeer.
• Raelthota, an elezen who shows up wearing basically underwear, greaves with weird hoof-like feet, and a half-mask over the lower half of her face.

If the only possible reason I could have any opinion about the idea of someone having a button to potentially put me into underwear in their cutscenes is insecurity, then the only possible reason you could have to want not to see other people's glamoured outfits is some equally reductive and oversimplified motive, such as "you are filled with bigoted rage at the very idea of a masculine character wearing a wedding gown somewhere in the game".

I mean, there's about the same degree of accuracy to both those things. And if it seems unreasonable to reduce all arguments for the feature to the latter motive, please recognize it's equally unreasonable to do the same to all possible motives to be exasperated by a 'remove glamour' button you can use on others.

When women end up objectified in day-to-day life and treated to comments like "you'd be prettier if you just smiled" or "you know, you'd look so much nicer in a skirt" (or alternatively, "damn, those pants are tight" as someone stares at your ass), is it so hard to believe that it would inspire a bit of "urgh, really?" when someone insists they should be given the right to strip off my avatar's virtual clothing in game as well? Especially when like 60% of all female healer leg gear is effectively just underwear?

If you run into a tank who's leveling and wearing Shisui gear because it's got the best stats for them but who's glammed themselves back into plate because that's what feels 'right' for them as a tank (i.e., me when I was leveling DRK), that's not necessarily insecurity; I'll wear relatively revealing clothing for DNC, because it feels thematically appropriate to me for that job where it doesn't for my tank. But even if there's no technical difference between "your DNC is wearing their artifact gear, which shows a lot of skin" and "I stripped away your DRK glam to put you back in the Shisui bikini", it still feels different.

If someone is staring at you iRL and picturing you naked, even if it does not physically do anything to you—and even if you are the most confident person in the world—it can feel uncomfortable to be reduced to an object like that. (Or at the very least, emotionally exhausting.) So is it completely impossible to understand that adding a button that basically could be pressed to potentially remove someone's clothing in game—regardless of the intended purpose—might make some folks feel, maybe not personally violated, but at least a little more exhausted?

Why on earth would it be so terrible to just do the blanket switch proposed earlier? Where basically, if you toggle it on, it turns off glamours and everyone in the game is put in the iconic gear for their current job? Dragoons wear the Azure Dragoon-style armor. White mages wear the cleric robes. Paladins wear plate. Etc. If the argument for this feature is 'immersion', I literally cannot see how that harms someone's immersion; it seems like it would be better for that mindset than just removing glamours. After all, just removing glamours entirely might put someone in not just Rainbow Pimp Gear, but Pants-Free Rainbow Pimp Gear.

And how on earth is that "immersive"?

#PantsAreThematic #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #TheHashtagsWillContinueUntilMoraleImproves #OrThisThreadEnds #WhichAreProbablyTheSameThing

There was a post in this thread where I acknowledged this and basically said I would not care if everyone was in colored robes. I just don't want to look upon animal mascot suits when in a dungeon or cutscene. We are not advocating for a glamour toggle so that we can see a character in their underwear. I guess on some distant level, I could see how you would feel violated, but in the end that is an amalgamation of pixels, not your real life self. There are already third party mods out there that strip players down completely. This is not what is being proposed by the OP or anyone here. With that concern, the other prominent issue that has cropped up is the opposite end of the spectrum — people upset that this would take away their option to show off their glamour. For that particular concern, my recent replies to others absolutely do apply in that instance.

Well have fun telling most women they are insecure.



This has to be a anime nerdy thing right? The cool edge person who does not care about people around him type deal? It sounds kinda weird to be honest. Hell even the goths I use to hang out with growing up, cared about fashion and made a statement with it.



I hate to tell you all this but, if you dress up just for yourself in a social game. That is more weird on yall. I can see it in single player games and such..but a MMO? ehhhh or even if you go out in public. That is weird. <.<

I see someone is trying to characterize me by their own understanding, thinking I must be acting this way for a reason that centers around other people. I assure you that I am not playing a part for anyone, nor trying to be cool. I'm simply being myself. Other people's thoughts and feelings about me, I choose to try to keep those out of the equation. I prefer to not be subject to the waves of other people's opinions. Especially on the internet, I could imagine myself becoming upset quite often if I took their words or thoughts of me to heart. If I put weight behind what people felt about me on the internet, I'd be in perpetual depression.

[Wavaryen]

There was a post in this thread where I acknowledged this and basically said I would not care if everyone was in colored robes. I just don't want to look upon animal mascot suits when in a dungeon or cutscene. We are not advocating for a glamour toggle so that we can see a character in their underwear. I guess on some distant level, I could see how you would feel violated, but in the end that is an amalgamation of pixels, not your real life self. There are already third party mods out there that strip players down completely. This is not what is being proposed by the OP or anyone here. With that concern, the other prominent issue that has cropped up is the opposite end of the spectrum — people upset that this would take away their option to show off their glamour. For that particular concern, my recent replies to others absolutely do apply in that instance.



I see someone is trying to characterize me by their own understanding, thinking I must be acting this way for a reason that centers around other people. I assure you that I am not playing a part for anyone, nor trying to be cool. I'm simply being myself without other people's opinions of me to factor into the equation. I prefer to not be subject to the waves of other people's opinions. Especially on the internet, I could imagine myself becoming upset quite often if I took their words or thoughts of me to heart.

I mean you been doing that all this time. I'm trying to understand your perspective and I can't do it. So I don't think I can understand you, *shrugs* I can't do it I can't do it. I just know that not caring about your looks, and how other people see you is not very healthy. It should not rule your life, but to not care at all? I think that is anti social disorder or something. We live in a society! <.<

[Gula]

I mean you been doing that all this time. I'm trying to understand your perspective and I can't do it. So I don't think I can understand you, *shrugs* I can't do it I can't do it. I just know that not caring about your looks, and how other people see you is not very healthy. It should not rule your life, but to not care at all? I think that is anti social disorder or something. We live in a society! <.<

Glamours rise up!

[Theodric]

Yes. Would love to see why you asked this.

I was simply curious. It struck me that you seem to only really invest in glamour and only dabble lightly in the other aspects of the game - which made me wonder if this is just a case of you overestimating the importance of glamour pursuits when it comes to other players. You also seem to assume that people don't care about the look of their character, or themselves if they're not interested in your character...which is a bit odd.

[Wavaryen]

I was simply curious. It struck me that you seem to only really invest in glamour and only dabble lightly in the other aspects of the game - which made me wonder if this is just a case of you overestimating the importance of glamour pursuits when it comes to other players.

I mostly make gil, but I do talk with people and be social in it. I don't really like the combat in this game, so I stay away from harder content that I don't want to invest time into. So crafting/gathering the story and being social is what I play this game for.

[Zabuza]

I mean you been doing that all this time. I'm trying to understand your perspective and I can't do it. So I don't think I can understand you, *shrugs* I can't do it I can't do it. I just know that not caring about your looks, and how other people see you is not very healthy. It should not rule your life, but to not care at all? I think that is anti social disorder or something. We live in a society! <.<

For someone who is supposedly unhealthy, I find most of my life to be quite serene, whether I am interacting with people or not. A lot of these people I interact with are often stressing about what those around of them think about them, while I remain at peace, happy with myself. I don't see how I'm the unhealthy one.

[Joven]

Ok here is reasons why.

Fashion is a statement, and is a money maker for players and it is a social aspect of the game. Players able to disable it, not only turns off an aspect of what many people spend millions of gil on. It would suck having to manage two sets of gear to make said statement.

and another reason is. I don't like people having the power to control what I look like. That is it. I mean that alone would be enough, but all of it is more valid than immersion.

Those who are interested in the fashion of the game can still enjoy it regardless of if I see it or not.

[Theodric]

I mostly make gil, but I do talk with people and be social in it. I don't really like the combat in this game, so I stay away from harder content that I don't want to invest time into. So crafting/gathering the story and being social is what I play this game for.

Which is fair enough. I dabble in a bit of everything and like collecting various things - glamour, minions, mounts and emotes in particular. I also like decorating my house. I'm sure other people in the thread have different priorities with some overlap here and there - but with such a large player-base with varied interests sometimes the best compromise is something like the OP's proposal. There's a lot of micro-communities within the community after all. I know people who play solely for fishing and nothing else. Others who play only for the story. I couldn't bring myself to play a game solely for one element, so I don't understand the mentality - but I respect it.

I don't think it's unfair to ask that such respect is shown for those who may want additional options to make the game more suited to their personal tastes.