It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bright-Flower]

Yes and no. This game in particular plays similar to a single player RPG. You are the sole focus of the story and as such other players are irrelevant. It's only in the social aspect that appearance plays a part to some people.

THe msq is written with one WOL in mind, sure, but the game itself is still a MMO with a community/multiplayer aspect. Even with trusts you can't get through all of the msq without partying with other players in trials, and of course duties beyond the msq are all multiplayer. The story may be written like a single player game but it's still very much a MMO, not just a single player game with a tacked on multiplayer mode or something.

[Krotoan]

I mean sure, but it is still in our nature to look decent whatever we do. If you go to work, you need to be clean, If you go out to stop, you don't want to look dirty. Saying you don't care what others think might be true, but I am willing to bet that most people want to look good when they go out in public. =

That's projection and assumption. It is "in our nature" to desire acceptance. Whether this acceptance comes from ones self or ones peers will determine how "good" you need to look to go out. I know lots of people who merely shoot for "legal" when they leave the house. When you go to work you have to look clean because of company standards and you represent the company or are vying for positive attention, I actually have a job where I can wear next to whatever I want since I'm not visible and since my performance is purely metric measured I don't have to "dress to impress" to move up, I merely have to adhere to safety/legal standards and comfort. Again, the experience of being a human in today's world varies WILDLY.

Because the swathes of people that are invariably wearing the latest cash shop item are literal walking advertisements for it. By disabling glamours you're likely never going to see these outfits unless you actively keep an eye on the launcher ads for them. In this regard it's not too dissimilar to why advertisers don't like you running ad-blockers. The average person who wants to run a blocker is going to be ignoring the advertising on these pages, yet even so, every now and again you'll get a bite from something that's actually of interest.

I worked for EA (via Bullfrog at least) at one stage, does it show? =(

I'd wager the venn diagram for "glamour purchaser" and "wouldn't use 'hide glamours' " overlaps pretty heavily. There would be loss of course, but as I said, the possibility for further expansion would increase. Truly it would take actually implementing both the option AND further glam options to prove either way but I don't see this customization option to be even a nail in the glam sales coffin. Theres still the emails, launcher adverts, and word of mouth on message boards.

[Joven]

THe msq is written with one WOL in mind, sure, but the game itself is still a MMO with a community/multiplayer aspect. Even with trusts you can't get through all of the msq without partying with other players in trials, and of course duties beyond the msq are all multiplayer. The story may be written like a single player game but it's still very much a MMO, not just a single player game with a tacked on multiplayer mode or something.

It doesn't change the fact that some people just don't care how others choose to present themselves or may be annoyed by such presentations due to ruining the mood set by the game with absurd glamours.

[Wavaryen]

That's projection and assumption. It is "in our nature" to desire acceptance. Whether this acceptance comes from ones self or ones peers will determine how "good" you need to look to go out. I know lots of people who merely shoot for "legal" when they leave the house. When you go to work you have to look clean because of company standards and you represent the company or are vying for positive attention, I actually have a job where I can wear next to whatever I want since I'm not visible and since my performance is purely metric measured I don't have to "dress to impress" to move up, I merely have to adhere to safety/legal standards and comfort. Again, the experience of being a human in today's world varies WILDLY.




I'd wager the venn diagram for "glamour purchaser" and "wouldn't use 'hide glamours' " overlaps pretty heavily. There would be loss of course, but as I said, the possibility for further expansion would increase. Truly it would take actually implementing both the option AND further glam options to prove either way but I don't see this customization option to be even a nail in the glam sales coffin. Theres still the emails, launcher adverts, and word of mouth on message boards.

Ok I am willing to project and assume this base off how big the beauty market is, and the normals I see growing up. I'm not saying that a case can't be made that some people don't care, but to tell me that MOST don't...eh...that would be a tough cookie to sell.

[Wavaryen]

It doesn't change the fact that some people just don't care how others choose to present themselves or may be annoyed by such presentations due to ruining the mood set by the game with absurd glamours.

and they got no stance to stand on. Because the story itself has said elements, so the lore of the game itself shows things like this. You can't scream immersion or the mood of a game when the game IS that mood.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I put a lot of time, effort and gil into my own glamour pursuits. I wouldn't mind at all if other people were to see my character in base gear.

We can already turn down spell effects and tweak other elements as to how we see other characters - such as character lighting. It's not unreasonable for the development team to expand those options further, especially if they're client side.



By that logic, gender locked gear should never have been unlocked.

Either people are all for more options or they're not. It's really that simple.

I respect that angle. For some people its no big deal. For me, I'd literally prefer to be seen naked or as a single solitary block of color than to be seen wearing some of the base gear from this patch. Especially if its a job i just leveled to 80 and its a horrible trainwreck of pieces that don't even match. If they made it to where the filter showed everyone in their base race gear, that would be acceptable but when I spend an hour on glams before doing my dailies because I feel like I can't be seen in public... I can't get behind a filter. Not for base gear.

Part of the point for fashion is to be seen in it. What the OP wants is a filter to not see the crazier stuff (because of immersion--I get that). So I'd propose a filter that shows either base race gear or base job gear (like your relic stuff) based on your level. I will NEVER support a filter that negates glamour. Ever. But the aforementioned is a good compromise IMO.

[Joven]

and they got no stance to stand on. Because the story itself has said elements, so the lore of the game itself shows things like this. You can't scream immersion or the mood of a game when the game IS that mood.

Show me one example in the MSQ where characters go into combat dressed as a pigman or frogman, or as a Namazu/chocobo hybrid.

[Sebazy]

Yes and no. This game in particular plays similar to a single player RPG. You are the sole focus of the story and as such other players are irrelevant. It's only in the social aspect that appearance plays a part to some people.

And this is probably where the split lays.

I play this game for the social aspect of it. I love the challenge of raiding and clearing content both with my usual crowd and with new people too. The story is somewhere between a mere roadblock and a fun diversion for me. If it didn't exist I wouldn't particularly care. If the raiding scene didn't exist, I wouldn't be here.

Thus that's why I'm so against anything that further diminishes the social side of this game in any way in my eyes. Even the simple removal of the need to go to the raid entrance to enter was a bad decision. The chatter, banter and activity outside was always good fun and I still miss it. Through that I used to know regularly chatter with near enough every raid healer on the server. Now I barely speak to all of them within my own FC as everyone's spread out and hidden away.

You might only view this as a small toggle switch, but I view it as yet another small nail in the coffin lid of this game's community, they've been building up for a few years now.

[Joven]

And this is probably where the split lays.

I play this game for the social aspect of it. I love the challenge of raiding and clearing content both with my usual crowd and with new people too. The story is somewhere between a mere roadblock and a fun diversion for me. If it didn't exist I wouldn't particularly care. If the raiding scene didn't exist, I wouldn't be here.

Thus that's why I'm so against anything that further diminishes the social side of this game in any way in my eyes. Even the simple removal of the need to go to the raid entrance to enter was a bad decision. The chatter, banter and activity outside was always good fun and I still miss it. Through that I used to know regularly chatter with near enough every raid healer on the server. Now I barely speak to all of them within my own FC as everyone's spread out and hidden away.

You might only view this as a small toggle switch, but I view it as yet another small nail in the coffin lid of this game's community, they've been building up for a few years now.

Different people play for different reasons as others have already said. I do like some of the social aspects of the game myself, but I'm here purely to experience the story. The developers have a fine line to walk when it comes this game: on the one hand they want to present it as a traditional Final Fantasy game, while on the other they made it an MMO which isn't part of that tradition. I feel for them when situations like this come up.

[Krotoan]

Ok I am willing to project and assume this base off how big the beauty market is, and the normals I see growing up. I'm not saying that a case can't be made that some people don't care, but to tell me that MOST don't...eh...that would be a tough cookie to sell.

I wouldn't dare to claim "most" but I definitely am comfortable saying "a lot". YES the beauty market is huge but even there a lot of people buy and use beauty products because they personally don't like what they see in the mirror and think they need to look different to even accept themselves. This might surprise you but many people wear makeup and dress a certain way because it makes them feel pretty/sexy/handsome/cool/etc and not because they NEED someone to validate that, just that they like the idea in their own heads that they look a certain way.