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  1. #1111
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    As for cash shop items: It may just be me, but I buy them solely for me and my entertainment.
    Likewise. I bought the Shiva, Odin and Ultima statues purely for the emotes...and I only ever use them for my own entertainment inside my home.
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  2. #1112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post


    I try to be a open mind and understand perspectives..even if this mindset feels alien to me.
    There are literally millions of people out there all experiencing the same world you are but in millions of different ways.

    You grew up where your "crew"s perception of you was vital. Many grew up with no "crew" and feel the only perspective that matters in the end is themselves.

    While neither can be said to be the "correct" way, can you understand the bewilderment when someone who's entire life has been about managing and adjusting their own experience and expecting that everyone else is doing the same is told that they're supposed to worry about everyone elses supposed perception of themselves and that this is normal?
    We're all playing the same game but we're definitely not experiencing it the same or expecting the same rewards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    People getting hooked on the glamour game is a not so insignificant revenue source after all.
    I'm still confused as to why people think this option would hurt glamour sales so much. Sure people who buy glamours JUST to make other people look at them wouldn't buy them. But I'm thinking there is still a large contingent of people out there who buy glamours because they like how they look for themselves. This also opens up a market for more out there glamours since "immersion" "theme" and "job" breaking wouldn't hold any amount of water.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 02-21-2020 at 06:00 AM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  3. #1113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    If I were in a group that expected me to buy new outfits every time I go out just to continue fitting in I would leave that group. If their only acceptance of you is your appearance then they are a very shallow bunch. I would prefer a group that would accept me for my personality and shared interests. I don't have time for superficial people in my life.

    As for cash shop items: It may just be me, but I buy them solely for me and my entertainment.

    You only have that perspective because of how you grew up, and the values you have. He consider it normal to him. In fact, it is still a big part of the culture in the area I am in. Do you see my point? It is very normal for the people I am around to care more so about fashion. It just part of culture. It is not something we need to think about or even feel it is wrong. So in a mmo that heavily has a social element. I find it normal that people want to look good for themselves and for others to see them.
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    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    There are literally millions of people out there all experiencing the same world you are but in millions of different ways.

    You grew up where your "crew"s perception of you was vital. Many grew up with no "crew" and feel the only perspective that matters in the end is themselves.

    While neither can be said to be the "correct" way, can you understand the bewilderment when someone who's entire life has been about managing and adjusting their own experience and expecting that everyone else is doing the same is told that they're supposed to worry about everyone elses supposed perception of themselves and that this is normal?
    We're all playing the same game but we're definitely not experiencing it the same or expecting the same rewards.

    I mean sure, but it is still in our nature to look decent whatever we do. If you go to work, you need to be clean, If you go out to stop, you don't want to look dirty. Saying you don't care what others think might be true, but I am willing to bet that most people want to look good when they go out in public. =
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  5. #1115
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    Jasmine Clayworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    You only have that perspective because of how you grew up, and the values you have. He consider it normal to him. In fact, it is still a big part of the culture in the area I am in. Do you see my point? It is very normal for the people I am around to care more so about fashion. It just part of culture. It is not something we need to think about or even feel it is wrong. So in a mmo that heavily has a social element. I find it normal that people want to look good for themselves and for others to see them.
    I do understand that, but at the same time it's no different in the game. Those who care about glamours would still be able to experience them while those who don't would get to have their own experience.
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  6. #1116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I'm still confused as to why people think this option would hurt glamour sales so much. Sure people who buy glamours JUST to make other people look at them wouldn't buy them. But I'm thinking there is still a large contingent of people out there who buy glamours because they like how they look for themselves. This also opens up a market for more out there glamours since "immersion" "theme" and "job" breaking wouldn't hold any amount of water.
    Because the swathes of people that are invariably wearing the latest cash shop item are literal walking advertisements for it. By disabling glamours you're likely never going to see these outfits unless you actively keep an eye on the launcher ads for them. In this regard it's not too dissimilar to why advertisers don't like you running ad-blockers. The average person who wants to run a blocker is going to be ignoring the advertising on these pages, yet even so, every now and again you'll get a bite from something that's actually of interest.

    I worked for EA (via Bullfrog at least) at one stage, does it show? =(
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    I think majority of people would certainly care about how their character looked like in a single player RPG, even though there are no other players seeing it. This game might be an exception but if I would guess, I think most people adjust their chars aesthetics for their own enjoyment while caring less about other players their opinion (in any game). Buy yeah this game might attract a certain crowd that prioritizes validation from others idk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    I do understand that, but at the same time it's no different in the game. Those who care about glamours would still be able to experience them while those who don't would get to have their own experience.
    Because in a mmo. How others see you plays a big part of the game.
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  9. #1119
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    Buy yeah this game might attract a certain crowd that prioritizes validation from others idk.
    It really does, that's a pretty big part of the carrot with MMOs, always has been. From the days of loitering around or even ontop of Britain bank, lurking at the entrance to East Commons tunnel, Jeuno's AHs and on through to the days of people standing on the ramps and platforms in MorDhona and Idylshire with their latest glamours and mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    Because in a mmo. How others see you plays a big part of the game.
    Yes and no. This game in particular plays similar to a single player RPG. You are the sole focus of the story and as such other players are irrelevant. It's only in the social aspect that appearance plays a part to some people.
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