It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Penthea]

There is a difference between something being right or wrong and being implemented or unimplemented. It's pretty much agreed upon by most people here that this feature will not happen. However, if Square Enix did add such a feature, there would be nothing wrong with it.

Something is wrong when a person thinks making players closer to being npcs is a good thing in a mmo.

[Wavaryen]

Let me clarify:


Do you really NEED someone to be able to see you if they don't like what they're seeing? Do you specifically NEED people to see you and know that even if they dislike what you're wearing they have to see you. This sounds slightly antagonistic from my perspective.

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I'm talking from the immersion stance. If we are basing it off that reason than yes. You do need people to be able to see you how you want to be seen.




I'm saying that it is acceptable for you to lose out on said immersion because you pick to ignore said elements of the game that allows such silly outfits to be part of the story. If you are not basing your immersion off a real life standard, and not by the story itself standard. Than you can set your own standards by playing games that are not heavily driven in a social settings.


It is not that I don't understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree that a MMO that has a focus on fashion, should give people an option to opt out of it. Someone has to give on this stance as both sides can bring up the same cases, but keeping the option out of the game I think is the better choice, as adding it would hurt the MMO elements.

[Penthea]

Note: You can mute people on this forum if you never want to see what they post again. So yes. You can. And one of the proposed solutions was to replace your character with something entirely different therefor NOT changing your characters appearance anymore than muting someone on the forum replaces their posts with a placeholder "you are ignoring this user" indication. There's something there, but you probably don't want to see it, but you are being notified that they are indeed there.

No sorry that's not enough for me. You see I don't like how the forum looks when I have a person blacklisted. It distracts from what I believe the overall aesthetic of the forum should look, because it stands out too much. It interferes with my experience here by being disruptive to my personal taste. It has to be changed into something more appealing to blend in.

EDIT: if I look unreasonable here, then this is how those who want to block glams look when they complain about the fashion choices of other people not being good enough for them. Enjoy viewing yourselves from another perspective.

[Lambdafish]

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me. It is not enough to blacklist them, no. I must have their post literally changed into something else. You know, just like how they're demanding that other player's clothing be changed into something else.

As much as it is a useless and frankly tangential point to make from the initial discussion, asking for a post to be removed is a server side change, so really has no bearing on the discussion in the slightest. If I fiddled with my webpage settings to remove your profile image and increase the amount of medals you have to 50, I can do that. The difference with what im proposing is that it doesn't save to the server, it just messes with my browser session temporarily.

Basically, if we used your analogy but corrected it for what is actually being asked (a client side setting), yes, that can most definately and easily be done. Try it yourself, right click your browser and click Inspect. Delete to your hearts content.

[PeppermintBrown]

Is the issue immersion or being offended by outfits?

If the issue is immersion, sorry but things like golden pig costumes and skimpy miqo dancers and hildebrand are part of this setting. That falls flat. If the creators of the game thought these glams were a problem they could easily make things like bikinis and toad costumes non glamable, but they've chosen not to. They're part of the setting, it's just a part of the setting you don't happen to like. This isn't game of thrones or lord of the rings. It's final fantasy.

Is it just not liking how people dress? Sorry but asking the devs to let you control how other characters appear on your screen is a waste of dev time and kind of pathetic. Cutscenes with parties in this game are very short pre/post fight scenes you barely have to see anyone else in a cutscene, and in battle there are more important things to focus on. The point of getting so up in arms about how other people glam you're going to demand devs give you a way to block it out is kind of hilarious.

[SamRF]

Not sure if this has been proposed before, but what would you guys think of the opposite option? An option that would allow you to hide your own glamour to everyone but yourself. Your client would see whatever glamour you are using while other players either see you in some some kind of basic armor or simply without the glamour. So you could potentially see your own char half-naked without exposing it to other players.

[Penthea]

As much as it is a useless and frankly tangential point to make from the initial discussion, asking for a post to be removed is a server side change, so really has no bearing on the discussion in the slightest. If I fiddled with my webpage settings to remove your profile image and increase the amount of medals you have to 50, I can do that. The difference with what im proposing is that it doesn't save to the server, it just messes with my browser session temporarily.

They're asking for glams to be removed, not entire players. By removing glams you are changing their outfit. You are changing how a player appears, you are not removing the player.

So the analogy I'm making is I do not want posts (players) to be removed, I want them to remain but look different due to my personal taste. I want the content they post to be stripped of anything I deem not good enough for me.

Also when you blacklist a person in the forums you can still see that they made posts, and still see traces of what they post if another person quotes them. So not even here does SE let you completely shut yourself off from what another person says.

[Lambdafish]

Is the issue immersion or being offended by outfits?

If the issue is immersion, sorry but things like golden pig costumes and skimpy miqo dancers and hildebrand are part of this setting. That falls flat. If the creators of the game thought these glams were a problem they could easily make things like bikinis and toad costumes non glamable, but they've chosen not to. They're part of the setting, it's just a part of the setting you don't happen to like. This isn't game of thrones or lord of the rings. It's final fantasy.

Is it just not liking how people dress? Sorry but asking the devs to let you control how other characters appear on your screen is a waste of dev time and kind of pathetic. Cutscenes with parties in this game are very short pre/post fight scenes you barely have to see anyone else in a cutscene, and in battle there are more important things to focus on. The point of getting so up in arms about how other people glam you're going to demand devs give you a way to block it out is kind of hilarious.

Let me counter your point with a benefit. We have role locked gear because of immersion, and because unlocking gear may make identifying roles based on visuals more difficult.

If players were allowed to set their party's glamour to the default AF gear, this would solve that problem. Choice goes both ways, by separating this middle ground by allowing those who want a more immersive experience to default everyone to AF gear (or whatever default gear the devs choose), and allow anyone who wants to glamour the freedom to glamour without restrictions, I think that is a win-win scenario for everyone.

They're asking for glams to be removed, not entire players.

Did you even read what I said? I made the comparison between client side and server side changes, nobody is asking for anything to be removed outright

[Alacran]

I will support this if i can get a filter for all Hrothgar to look like Miqo'te.

That's how ridiculous this all is. I hate the Hrothgar race as a whole and think it should be deleted from the game. I am not the only person who plays and i don't have the right to dictate how other people are viewed or what they should wear, regardless of my opinions.

If you don't like it run everything with Trust, if it's about end game, find like minded people make a static. If can't do that, it's because it's a... dumb... idea.

The game is bigger than you and your pettiness, what else do you call someone who has issue with another persons form of expression?

[Theodric]

The game launched with an established set of aesthetics. Over time, a very vocal portion of the community sought to petition the development team to change those aesthetics to fit their personal tastes. With that in mind, it's only fair that other players get the option to filter out things if they so wish - within reason, of course. It's the best compromise all around.

Nobody's character is actually an extension of themselves, so it's pretty strange that some people are acting like they're being oppressed if their character is hidden from view.