It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[DumdogsWorld]

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

Exactly. People try to make it out like it's a public place, but in reality, it's a signal being transmitted from the Square Enix servers to a screen in your private home.

If somebody walked into my house wearing skimpy, disgusting clothes, I would tell them to leave until they covered up.

[Senliten]

I was around during that time, and if you recall people was not happy on both sides. One side wanted to keep the old look. The other side wanted everyone to look the same. MMOS have come a long way since that time, and fashion has became sort of a end game for players. So this is another silly thing to bring up, as times have changed.

times change, but common sense, decency, and respect hasn't.

the bottom line is those against this, simply want to force their choice onto others (extreme, i know). Not even taking into account your choices should not be the of all end all and that if someone does not care nor want to deal with how your immersional standards are different from theirs, and they wish for a mere quality of life choice, that you, on the other side of the client, would never even know happens, they should be given the choice to do so.

Trying to use real life analogies for a game about pixles is also absurd, cause one, this aint real life, two; people simply put up with those whom go to lengths to look pretty, but get on with their day cause why risk getting tossed into a grinder and risk a lot more, than to simply ignore. And three, this is a game, we have a choice and voice to suggest and have such things implemented seeing it is all code. pushing some faux irl concept as to why we shouldn't have the option, is absurd and only tosses unneeded societal 'twitter' norms into the comminuty.

[Lambdafish]

The bottom line is those against this, simply want to force their choice onto others (extreme, i know). Not even taking into account your choices should not be the of all end all and that if someone does not care nor want to deal with how your immersional standards are different from theirs, and they wish for a mere quality of life choice, that you, on the other side of the client, would never even know happens, they should be given the choice to do so.

This is a really good summary of what is going on tbh. The toxicity that has come out of this debate is really unfortunate, all because some people can't accept that most people really don't care about their glamour, and want to impose their values and 'identity' onto others who really don't want them to. This QoL is a compromise. It would be toxic of those in favour of this change to want to censor or remove certain glamour pieces outright, but simply asking that glamour is changed on the client side is not toxic, nor is it in any way wrong.

If you can't accept that players dress up for others just as much as for themselves in a game design around being social, well I don't know what to tell you. This option can break immersion for some players if we are going by that stance. Since how would I know if players see what I want to be seen as? Just silly.

This is exactly what I mean above, you dress up for others, including random strangers, and have the expectation that they will care. In any other avenue of thought, that could equatable to harassment, but apparently here, expecting someone to care about something you care about, to the point where you are advocating that they aren't allowed to disable it, thats the moral high ground?

[Krotoan]

Oh? So we can toss the immersion logic out the window?

Let me clarify:

In both worlds we have people who dress themselves to achieve an effect. For themselves and how others see them. This is a commonality for sure.

However in real life there are far more concerns when interacting. The people are real, limited by physical laws and genetics. They cannot help who they are or what they look like beyond a covering. The people observing have to worry about: Staring, facial expressions, proximity during conversations. They also have to consider that if someone is doing something they do not like but have no grounds to say anything about say, looking unpleasant or smelling unpleasant or performing an action that is socially acceptable but not personally acceptable, the only choice is to remove themselves. You have no right in real life to request others conform to your own desires as long as those people are following social and legal rules and by the laws of physics cannot do anything that won't encroach upon the other people besides moving yourself. That is all you have control over. You are limited by the fact that real is real and there is no way to remove someone from an area you wish to be in or make them not be a part of your life as a bystander if they so end up doing.

In a video game you don't know what I'm looking at or even if I'm paying attention to you so dressing for attention is mostly in the mind of the dresser. There is little to no feedback if a "attention" avatar is working other than people who go out of their way to complement it. There are possible options to remove social interactions I do not desire to have without any indication, unlike real life where I would have to move or tell you to stop talking to me or physically look away.


Do you really NEED someone to be able to see you if they don't like what they're seeing? Do you specifically NEED people to see you and know that even if they dislike what you're wearing they have to see you. This sounds slightly antagonistic from my perspective.

I'm going to say that people are taking the immersion argument wayy too far. Both sides. Yeah the game has silly costumes and people want to act like their avatar is them for real and wanting to censor or change it is akin to telling someone in real life that they personally are "unacceptable".
That is all noise.

I am playing a game with a role playing element and a story and if you as a person are going to play a character or dress in a way that ruins that story and feel for me I would like recourse to eliminate you from my experience, just as you would likely not want me constantly enforcing my personal interpretation of what FFXIV is all about, I don't want you having unchangeable influence over my own experience. You could argue I am "ruining your experience" by just knowing you might not appear as you chose on my screen, but it's a pretty weak argument considering one is an actual visual influence and the other is "just the idea". You do not have a right to be a part of my experience in a virtual space with rules that can accommodate this kind of modification and no real world physical limitations.

[Nariel]

Its not much about is it a good or bad thing, who actualy care that much that people can see or not their silly attire. Personaly I'm more reluctant about why divert dev's time for something so useless when patchs already feel so barren.

I'd rather have those ressources put into a mirage station in my house or being able to mirage swap anywhere. Because lets be real here, its probably not as simple as you think to put in place. De
depending on how the said mirage are displayed it may require to change how the mirage system work for this filter to work, meaning you have to change how the plates works and how the station work because they may change how the mirage is tied to the item and how it is displayed.

Every single feature in this game represent a lot of work, its not about two line of magic code in a notepad that make it works.

[Penthea]

Exactly. People try to make it out like it's a public place, but in reality, it's a signal being transmitted from the Square Enix servers to a screen in your private home.

If somebody walked into my house wearing skimpy, disgusting clothes, I would tell them to leave until they covered up.

A public space in an online medium doesn't become private just because you play from home. This is such a silly thing to say.

By this logic this public forum we are using right now becomes a private one, just because I happen to interact with it from inside my home. Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see? This is the point you're making, right? That if I view something from my home then I have a right to control how it appears to me?

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me. It is not enough to blacklist them, no. I must have their post literally changed into something else. You know, just like how they're demanding that other player's clothing be changed into something else.

[DumdogsWorld]

Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see?

Yes. Such freedoms would apply to you too, you know.

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me.

There is a difference between something being right or wrong and being implemented or unimplemented. It's pretty much agreed upon by most people here that this feature will not happen. However, if Square Enix did add such a feature, there would be nothing wrong with it.

[Canadane]

Remember that glamours are just refracted light.
That bikini isn’t really a bikini. Your tank is fine.

[Theodric]

By this logic this public forum we are using right now becomes a private one, just because I happen to interact with it from inside my home. Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see?

If you so wish to, you can pick any poster you wish and block them so that you never have to see their posts ever again. Unless you opt to unblock them, of course.

[Krotoan]

A public space in an online medium doesn't become private just because you play from home. This is such a silly thing to say.

By this logic this public forum we are using right now becomes a private one, just because I happen to interact with it from inside my home. Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see? This is the point you're making, right? That if I view something from my home then I have a right to control how it appears to me?

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me. It is not enough to blacklist them, no. I must have their post literally changed into something else. You know, just like how they're demanding that other player's clothing be changed into something else.

Note: You can mute people on this forum if you never want to see what they post again. So yes. You can. And one of the proposed solutions was to replace your character with something entirely different therefor NOT changing your characters appearance anymore than muting someone on the forum replaces their posts with a placeholder "you are ignoring this user" indication. There's something there, but you probably don't want to see it, but you are being notified that they are indeed there.