It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Wavaryen]

Yikes, way to miss the point. Lots of strawman here, by comparing showing skin to showing murder. This isn't about sensitivity or censorship. It's about a player's right to an immersive experience on the client side (so harmless to anyone else).

Let me ask you... do you think I don't want Big Bird in this image because I'm insecure and want to censor the image?

Talking about Strawman my god...



I assumed that people are just offended, but are we really talking about immersion here? That is the reason? Being able to see people how you want them to be seen is immersive?




That is just silly.


The immersion thing does not hold water when this game itself has had some wacky crazy NPCS that dress up foolish. People wearing silly stuff into battle fits with the theme of the game.


So the immersion stance holds no water in the context of the game.

[Lambdafish]

No matter what reason you come up with, no matter what grounds you stand on. It won't change people mind. I don't care about your immersion, Just like you don't care about my reasons for keeping it. The immersion thing does not hold water when this game itself has had some wacky crazy NPCS that dress up foolish. People wearing silly stuff into battle fits with the theme of the game.

Thats actually irrelevant, and you don't get to decide what people value in the game. When you talk about stances holding no water, any argument you could come up with falls flat when the fact that the change would be client side is brought up. This is about choice, its about people being able to play the way they want to play. You don't get to impose yourself on their play experience unless it begins to affect yours.

Your game would look the same, as would anyone elses game who decided not to use the feature. The only people who this would affect in the slightest, are those who want to make use of it. The fact that you are trying to deny someone their right to their own choice and values... idk man.

[Penthea]

To those comparing the blacklist to blocking glams:

The blacklist is there to prevent bodies of text and other forms of direct contact being sent to you. It can be very easy to harass someone when you are using methods that are often unaffected by distance or location.

Can a glam attempt to sell gil to you?

Can a glam send unwanted fc and ls invites?

Can a glam send you tells with links to suspicious websites?

Can a glam advertise the sale of power leveling?

Can a glam be a good friend that, for whatever reason, ended up personally betraying you?

Can a glam break the ToS?

Is a glam able to continue to force itself onto your presence, without moving from their spot, even if you teleport away to a different zone? Even if you enter your locked house or an inn?

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A glam is just an outfit whose use is permitted by SE. Nothing more.

Glams cannot break the ToS, stalk you, spread rumours about you or betray you.

[Wavaryen]

Thats actually irrelevant, and you don't get to decide what people value in the game. When you talk about stances holding no water, any argument you could come up with falls flat when the fact that the change would be client side is brought up. This is about choice, its about people being able to play the way they want to play. You don't get to impose yourself on their play experience unless it begins to affect yours.

Your game would look the same, as would anyone elses game who decided not to use the feature. The only people who this would affect in the slightest, are those who want to make use of it. The fact that you are trying to deny someone their right to their own choice and values... idk man.

Does not matter if my game is looking the same. I made my char to look for others just as much as myself. I don't want players to have that option. What more needs to be said? You don't really have a good enough reason to ruin what a MMO is to me.



Your reasons don't matter at the grand scheme of things. For every answer you come up with, I can say. Go play a single player game.



If you can't accept that players dress up for others just as much as for themselves in a game design around being social, well I don't know what to tell you. This option can break immersion for some players if we are going by that stance. Since how would I know if players see what I want to be seen as? Just silly.

[Senliten]

Would love to see all those opposed to a mere client side toggle react to the racial model changes back when eq2 implmented the racial models for the asian market, and gave us the option in the states to toggle between the two, down to even choosing each race and gender toggle. Don't think much of a stink was brought up then for something character model bassed as compared to clothes.

How far society has degraded to complain about mere 'choice'.

[Wavaryen]

Would love to see all those opposed to a mere client side toggle react to the racial model changes back when eq2 implmented the racial models for the asian market, and gave us the option in the states to toggle between the two, down to even choosing each race and gender toggle. Don't think much of a stink was brought up then for something character model bassed as compared to clothes.

How far society has degraded to complain about mere 'choice'.

I was around during that time, and if you recall people was not happy on both sides. One side wanted to keep the old look. The other side wanted everyone to look the same. MMOS have come a long way since that time, and fashion has became sort of a end game for players. So this is another silly thing to bring up, as times have changed.

[DumdogsWorld]

I'm actually surprised that this thread is still going. Me, ironically of all people.

This is a thing where people won't budge. I learned that 30+ pages ago.

[Wavaryen]

So lets break this down.


"It is client side. What I see does not matter."

Cool, so when my woman wants us to wear matching outfits in real life. She does it just for herself. Not how other people see us right? Or how about this ring that I wear? It is not to show other people of our love? Since we are using immersion talk, I sure wish I had an option so I don't see certain clothing in real life. I mean after all, people do fashion just for themselves not for how others see you.



Here is a simple truth. Just like real life. People dress up for how others see you, not just for themselves. I know shocking right? So taking that part away, breaks the mmo and dare I say it..immmersion for said person.



My point is this, Whatever one side says the other side can say the same.

[Krotoan]

So lets break this down.


"It is client side. What I see does not matter."

Cool, so when my woman wants us to wear matching outfits in real life. She does it just for herself. Not how other people see us right? Or how about this ring that I wear? It is not to show other people of our love? Since we are using immersion talk, I sure wish I had an option so I don't see certain clothing in real life. I mean after all, people do fashion just for themselves not for how others see you.



Here is a simple truth. Just like real life. People dress up for how others see you, not just for themselves. I know shocking right? So taking that part away, breaks the mmo and dare I say it..immmersion for said person.



My point is this, Whatever one side says the other side can say the same.

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

[Wavaryen]

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

Oh? So we can toss the immersion logic out the window?



So what are the bases of said immersion breaking are you basing this off on? In this game has context for people wearing outlandish outfits.


Because immersion is another form of escape. And players use fashion to express themselves and to be immersive in said world. Some real life factors do play a part with how you go into a social element game. Even the best role players understand that.




So if not for immersion reason. What other reasons do you need said options?