It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Wavaryen]

So lets break this down.


"It is client side. What I see does not matter."

Cool, so when my woman wants us to wear matching outfits in real life. She does it just for herself. Not how other people see us right? Or how about this ring that I wear? It is not to show other people of our love? Since we are using immersion talk, I sure wish I had an option so I don't see certain clothing in real life. I mean after all, people do fashion just for themselves not for how others see you.



Here is a simple truth. Just like real life. People dress up for how others see you, not just for themselves. I know shocking right? So taking that part away, breaks the mmo and dare I say it..immmersion for said person.



My point is this, Whatever one side says the other side can say the same.

[Krotoan]

So lets break this down.


"It is client side. What I see does not matter."

Cool, so when my woman wants us to wear matching outfits in real life. She does it just for herself. Not how other people see us right? Or how about this ring that I wear? It is not to show other people of our love? Since we are using immersion talk, I sure wish I had an option so I don't see certain clothing in real life. I mean after all, people do fashion just for themselves not for how others see you.



Here is a simple truth. Just like real life. People dress up for how others see you, not just for themselves. I know shocking right? So taking that part away, breaks the mmo and dare I say it..immmersion for said person.



My point is this, Whatever one side says the other side can say the same.

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

[Wavaryen]

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

Oh? So we can toss the immersion logic out the window?



So what are the bases of said immersion breaking are you basing this off on? In this game has context for people wearing outlandish outfits.


Because immersion is another form of escape. And players use fashion to express themselves and to be immersive in said world. Some real life factors do play a part with how you go into a social element game. Even the best role players understand that.




So if not for immersion reason. What other reasons do you need said options?

[Krotoan]

Oh? So we can toss the immersion logic out the window?

Let me clarify:

In both worlds we have people who dress themselves to achieve an effect. For themselves and how others see them. This is a commonality for sure.

However in real life there are far more concerns when interacting. The people are real, limited by physical laws and genetics. They cannot help who they are or what they look like beyond a covering. The people observing have to worry about: Staring, facial expressions, proximity during conversations. They also have to consider that if someone is doing something they do not like but have no grounds to say anything about say, looking unpleasant or smelling unpleasant or performing an action that is socially acceptable but not personally acceptable, the only choice is to remove themselves. You have no right in real life to request others conform to your own desires as long as those people are following social and legal rules and by the laws of physics cannot do anything that won't encroach upon the other people besides moving yourself. That is all you have control over. You are limited by the fact that real is real and there is no way to remove someone from an area you wish to be in or make them not be a part of your life as a bystander if they so end up doing.

In a video game you don't know what I'm looking at or even if I'm paying attention to you so dressing for attention is mostly in the mind of the dresser. There is little to no feedback if a "attention" avatar is working other than people who go out of their way to complement it. There are possible options to remove social interactions I do not desire to have without any indication, unlike real life where I would have to move or tell you to stop talking to me or physically look away.


Do you really NEED someone to be able to see you if they don't like what they're seeing? Do you specifically NEED people to see you and know that even if they dislike what you're wearing they have to see you. This sounds slightly antagonistic from my perspective.

I'm going to say that people are taking the immersion argument wayy too far. Both sides. Yeah the game has silly costumes and people want to act like their avatar is them for real and wanting to censor or change it is akin to telling someone in real life that they personally are "unacceptable".
That is all noise.

I am playing a game with a role playing element and a story and if you as a person are going to play a character or dress in a way that ruins that story and feel for me I would like recourse to eliminate you from my experience, just as you would likely not want me constantly enforcing my personal interpretation of what FFXIV is all about, I don't want you having unchangeable influence over my own experience. You could argue I am "ruining your experience" by just knowing you might not appear as you chose on my screen, but it's a pretty weak argument considering one is an actual visual influence and the other is "just the idea". You do not have a right to be a part of my experience in a virtual space with rules that can accommodate this kind of modification and no real world physical limitations.

[Wavaryen]

Let me clarify:


Do you really NEED someone to be able to see you if they don't like what they're seeing? Do you specifically NEED people to see you and know that even if they dislike what you're wearing they have to see you. This sounds slightly antagonistic from my perspective.

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I'm talking from the immersion stance. If we are basing it off that reason than yes. You do need people to be able to see you how you want to be seen.




I'm saying that it is acceptable for you to lose out on said immersion because you pick to ignore said elements of the game that allows such silly outfits to be part of the story. If you are not basing your immersion off a real life standard, and not by the story itself standard. Than you can set your own standards by playing games that are not heavily driven in a social settings.


It is not that I don't understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree that a MMO that has a focus on fashion, should give people an option to opt out of it. Someone has to give on this stance as both sides can bring up the same cases, but keeping the option out of the game I think is the better choice, as adding it would hurt the MMO elements.

[DumdogsWorld]

Real life rules do not apply to a video game.

Exactly. People try to make it out like it's a public place, but in reality, it's a signal being transmitted from the Square Enix servers to a screen in your private home.

If somebody walked into my house wearing skimpy, disgusting clothes, I would tell them to leave until they covered up.

[Penthea]

Exactly. People try to make it out like it's a public place, but in reality, it's a signal being transmitted from the Square Enix servers to a screen in your private home.

If somebody walked into my house wearing skimpy, disgusting clothes, I would tell them to leave until they covered up.

A public space in an online medium doesn't become private just because you play from home. This is such a silly thing to say.

By this logic this public forum we are using right now becomes a private one, just because I happen to interact with it from inside my home. Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see? This is the point you're making, right? That if I view something from my home then I have a right to control how it appears to me?

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me. It is not enough to blacklist them, no. I must have their post literally changed into something else. You know, just like how they're demanding that other player's clothing be changed into something else.

[DumdogsWorld]

Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see?

Yes. Such freedoms would apply to you too, you know.

Alright then, SE please remove the post of the person I am speaking to, and replace with something else that is more appealing to me.

There is a difference between something being right or wrong and being implemented or unimplemented. It's pretty much agreed upon by most people here that this feature will not happen. However, if Square Enix did add such a feature, there would be nothing wrong with it.

[Penthea]

There is a difference between something being right or wrong and being implemented or unimplemented. It's pretty much agreed upon by most people here that this feature will not happen. However, if Square Enix did add such a feature, there would be nothing wrong with it.

Something is wrong when a person thinks making players closer to being npcs is a good thing in a mmo.

[Theodric]

By this logic this public forum we are using right now becomes a private one, just because I happen to interact with it from inside my home. Does this then mean that I have the right to remove and then change things I do not like to see?

If you so wish to, you can pick any poster you wish and block them so that you never have to see their posts ever again. Unless you opt to unblock them, of course.