Revelations from Patch 5.2

[Alleo]

I believe it was mentioned when you first arrive in Amaurot. The ancients speak the "Babel" language that is both alien and completely understandable by everyone.

Minimum post.

Ah thanks, I have already forgotten that.

More about the MSQ

Did I miss it or was that picture of the blue figure not part of the story?

Also I am honestly not really sure what I should take from the 14th being neutral. Seemingly they disagreed with the summoning of Zodiark (so much that they even left their seat) yet also wont help to take him down? You can be neutral in some situations, like when two people have an argument and you try to unite them once more. But in that situation I find it quite strange that they are neutral. Did they have another plan? Because if the 14th is our ancient version of the WoL then they are quite different right now because the WoL never really stood back and only watched.

I hope we get more information on that.

Also honestly I wonder why they ever made Ysthola blind..nothing in her actions or behaviour seems to be hindered by it. With all the reading she is doing I have to remind myself that she cant see normally anymore. Just give her back her eyesight because unlike Thancred she does not suffer direct consequences from it.

Thoughts...

MSQ

Oh boy... where to start. Guess I'll start with the Echo which is the easiest. And very, very weird to the point of being suspicious. For starters, not everyone who sees the Starshower gets the Echo. Which makes everyone on the plaza hearing Hydaelyn's voice very odd just by itself. And speaking of Hydaelyn's voice, why are they even hearing it? Hydaelyn hasn't talked to us since 3.4 at the latest, and even then she needed Minfillia as an intermediary. The last time we actually heard Hydaelyn herself was back in 3.0 briefly. And even then there was a lot of "static" in the way. It boggles the mind that a bunch of random nobodies would hear Hydaelyn's "Hear, Feel, Think" mantra and we wouldn't. I am very suspicions that visual illusions aren't the only kind of illusions Elidibus can make and that he somehow made everyone hear Hydaelyn's famous catchphrase. Except the one person who knows exactly what Hydaelyn really does sound like since when Hydaelyn could talk, she wouldn't stop talking to us (or trying to talk to us in 3.x).

As for why Elidibus would want to wake the Echo up in people... The Ascians have been having issues with getting killed recently. Between us, Ardbert and Gaius, they're down a bunch of members and anyone that does get made into an Ascian needs to have the Echo. Widening the pool of people they can raise up into Ascians is probably something that needs to happen at this point. It also directly attacks the Scions' base on the Source by depriving it of manpower.

About your points

I am also a bit skeptical. Elidibus says that she uses the starshower to reach for people that in turn get the echo (yet some dont? So is that a confirmation that people like the Scions are new souls?) but he is the one using an illusion of it so why would Hydealyn then be able to speak through it?

Interesting point about him wanting more Ascians but imo I believe that he simply wants to get back to their old plan before the Flood happened. There they created WoLs by using huge conflicts thus I think that he simply tries to create more WoLs and over time create another rejoining. He knows that we cant be there forever and he knows that we are still a mortal and that time can run different on the shards. It would be easy to just start new in that part. If it is his plan then I am a bit annoyed that the scions are not even thinking about this as a possibility especially when its them that outright say that he is there to finish Emets plan.

[Rannie]

Ah thanks, I have already forgotten that.

More about the MSQ

Did I miss it or was that picture of the blue figure not part of the story?

Also I am honestly not really sure what I should take from the 14th being neutral. Seemingly they disagreed with the summoning of Zodiark (so much that they even left their seat) yet also wont help to take him down? You can be neutral in some situations, like when two people have an argument and you try to unite them once more. But in that situation I find it quite strange that they are neutral. Did they have another plan? Because if the 14th is our ancient version of the WoL then they are quite different right now because the WoL never really stood back and only watched.

I hope we get more information on that.

Also honestly I wonder why they ever made Ysthola blind..nothing in her actions or behaviour seems to be hindered by it. With all the reading she is doing I have to remind myself that she cant see normally anymore. Just give her back her eyesight because unlike Thancred she does not suffer direct consequences from it.

Err Alleo it does have consequences shes using her own aether to be able to see aether and thus draining her Aether in a constant basis. If shes not careful it will kill her like Master Matoya warned her. It may seem like she has no issues seeing but she also cant see the night sky and had to have Urianger describe it to her in his verbose manner. The only reason. Shes even able to read is the inks are pretty much made with the help of Aether...

[Alleo]

Err Alleo it does have consequences shes using her own aether to be able to see aether and thus draining her Aether in a constant basis. If shes not careful it will kill her like Master Matoya warned her. It may seem like she has no issues seeing but she also cant see the night sky and had to have Urianger describe it to her in his verbose manner. The only reason. Shes even able to read is the inks are pretty much made with the help of Aether...

Which is why I said that she faces no direct consequences. Thancred cant teleport anymore. This directly hinders his actions as a spy and makes his work harder. He also needs help when he is using his attacks. Yes Ysthola might one day die from it and yes she did not see the night sky but anything else is not hindering for her. She is able to fight like she always did, she is able to seemingly read all the stuff too. All that hangs over her is a possible death somewhere in the future which is imo not that huge of a deal because 1. she would have died without it anyways and 2. there could always be a solution to this problem.

A direct consequence would have been that she is not able to do her work anymore. That she simply cant read all those things that well even with her new vision. Just some stones that are thrown in her path..

[Elladie]

Which is why I said that she faces no direct consequences. Thancred cant teleport anymore. This directly hinders his actions as a spy and makes his work harder. He also needs help when he is using his attacks. Yes Ysthola might one day die from it and yes she did not see the night sky but anything else is not hindering for her. She is able to fight like she always did, she is able to seemingly read all the stuff too. All that hangs over her is a possible death somewhere in the future which is imo not that huge of a deal because 1. she would have died without it anyways and 2. there could always be a solution to this problem.

A direct consequence would have been that she is not able to do her work anymore. That she simply cant read all those things that well even with her new vision. Just some stones that are thrown in her path..

First of all, she wouldn't have died anyway. You don't die from being blind. She is using her aether to SEE. The Elder Seedseer and the elementals pulled her out of the Lifestream with the help of Y'mitrha and thus saved her life. The blindness is the consequence of so long in the Lifestream/using a forbidden spell like Flow

The direct consequence of Y'shtola being blind is character development. That she is the kind of person who is prepared to SLOWLY KILL HERSELF in order to continue doing her job is hugely significant in terms of who she is as a person. And every time I see those pale eyes I remember that's what she's doing. What's more she NEVER complains (unlike some of them)

[Alleo]

First of all, she wouldn't have died anyway. You don't die from being blind. She is using her aether to SEE. The Elder Seedseer and the elementals pulled her out of the Lifestream with the help of Y'mitrha and thus saved her life. The blindness is the consequence of so long in the Lifestream/using a forbidden spell like Flow

The direct consequence of Y'shtola being blind is character development. That she is the kind of person who is prepared to SLOWLY KILL HERSELF in order to continue doing her job is hugely significant in terms of who she is as a person. And every time I see those pale eyes I remember that's what she's doing. What's more she NEVER complains (unlike some of them)

She would have died if she did not use the teleportation skill which is what brought her into the situation to be blinded. If she had not used it they would have not made it. Of course she might slowly kill herself (but we dont even have an estimate on how earlier she will die) but they could also always just ignore that consequence by having her never die in the story itself or by finding a solution to it.

For Thancred its bad because as a spy he was able to go to places fast and disappear that way again. We see it in the story that this is not possible anymore making his work worse.

I just wished that she might have more problems. Maybe just as simple as her not being able to fight that good anymore. That she can either hold up her view or cast a spell.