Holy now a bannable spell.

[Raim]

Oh, the GMs are psychic now?

What other purpose does someone have to go into the crowded center of town and spam Holy for minutes on end? Stop pretending like you don't know what was going on. All this silly nonsense about how someone "Just loves to cast magic." For minutes on end? Right in the middle of town? Come on man just admit it. Do judges and police officers need to be psychic to determine intent too or can they rely on common sense? Either way it appears they have made their decision.

[AsukaAsakura]

Poor allegory because some officers could arrest the person for disturbing the peace or noise violations. While they should just tell the person to move on that's not always what happens sadly.

Playing music wouldn't be disturbing the peace anywhere I've seen it. I mean, they could even have a permit to play there. The point was, saying that a TOS was similar to legality was the analogy.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

What other purpose does someone have to go into the crowded center of town and spam Holy for minutes on end? Stop pretending like you don't know what was going on. All this silly nonsense about how someone "Just loves to cast magic." For minutes on end? Right in the middle of town? Come on man just admit it. Do judges and police officers need to be psychic to determine intent too or can they rely on common sense? Either way it appears they have made their decision.

First off I cast my flame thrower every time I can get a chance because I like the flames be I in town the fc house or even my own private room I cast it because I like the animation... so honestly yes they do you CAN NOT KNOW A PERSONS INTENT UNLESS YOU KNOW THE PERSON. everyone does things for their own reasons If I took time to work on my ast id use the star ability every where because I love the pretty star effect on that move they use.

[DrWho2010]

it's also their choice to report that person annoying them and everyone else in the area too. are you advocating for them to remove their rights too?

[hynaku]

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements. Here is what TOS says about spamming. It doesn't say that spamming emotes or skills is against TOS only advertisements is against it. Wouldn't 3.9 be for spamming tells because it doesn't mention skills or emotes in it.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Yes, but the only RL comparison you could make is. Someone on a public street started playing music and turning a flash light on and off. This wouldn't be harassment. This wouldn't be illegal. If you called the cops they would tell you to just leave the area.

Noise ordinance and noise nuisance laws exists, depending on when and where they started playing music and flashing a light it definitely would be illegal.

[AsukaAsakura]

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements. Here is what TOS says about spamming. It doesn't say that spamming emotes or skills is against TOS only advertisements is against it. So banning that player for spamming holy was a unjust use of there powers and not against TOS.

Just to clarify, there is also 3.9 Non-Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to harass other players.

[Raim]

First off I cast my flame thrower every time I can get a chance because I like the flames be I in town the fc house or even my own private room I cast it because I like the animation... so honestly yes they do you CAN NOT KNOW A PERSONS INTENT UNLESS YOU KNOW THE PERSON. everyone does things for their own reasons If I took time to work on my ast id use the star ability every where because I love the pretty star effect on that move they use.

I like flamethrower too but if it had no cooldown I wouldn't go around town pressing it every GCD for 10 minutes because as a reasonable person I realize that might be quite annoying for everyone else at my expense.

[Jwrigh7784]

Firstly, I suspect there is more to this story than is being told. I mean, why would anyone simply take this person at his word, unless you know him personally and can vouch for what he said happened? I seriously doubt that this player was banned simply for spamming an ability. If I had to guess I would say this person probably has dialogue macroed to his Holy or has done something alongside the spell. I've been playing Final Fantasy XIV since closed beta and I have never seen or heard of someone being banned or action taken for simply using an ability over and over again. There was always something associated with it that caused the action.

Secondly, why are people defending spamming in the first place? Ok, yeah, sure the person can leave but by that logic the person spamming could...oh I don't know...stop spamming. Since spamming serves no purpose whereas hanging around in a city could be for a legitimate reason my opinion is the person spamming should stop, especially if people have made it known they are annoyed by it. This has nothing to do with people looking for reasons to complain or just being whiny crybabies or whatever.

Personally, I think spamming in general, is just immature and, as I mentioned before, serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever aside from personal amusement. Frankly, there are other, less annoying ways to amuse yourself but then I come from a generation of gamers where we were actually respectful and civil to one another. Sadly, those days are gone.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I like flamethrower too but if it had no cooldown I wouldn't go around town pressing it every GCD for 10 minutes because as a reasonable person I realize that might be quite annoying for everyone else at my expense.

if it didnt have a cd id be by the tree in limsa using it every 10 seconds during my 20-30mins ques as a dps. I get why it would seem annoying if the person was moving around but if a person is just sitting in a single spot casting it if your annoyed by that that is your own proplem and you should go to a diffrent spot

Firstly, I suspect there is more to this story than is being told. I mean, why would anyone simply take this person at his word, unless you know him personally and can vouch for what he said happened? I seriously doubt that this player was banned simply for spamming an ability. If I had to guess I would say this person probably has dialogue macroed to his Holy or has done something alongside the spell. I've been playing Final Fantasy XIV since closed beta and I have never seen or heard of someone being banned or action taken for simply using an ability over and over again. There was always something associated with it that caused the action.

Secondly, why are people defending spamming in the first place? Ok, yeah, sure the person can leave but by that logic the person spamming could...oh I don't know...stop spamming. Since spamming serves no purpose whereas hanging around in a city could be for a legitimate reason my opinion is the person spamming should stop, especially if people have made it known they are annoyed by it. This has nothing to do with people looking for reasons to complain or just being whiny crybabies or whatever.

Personally, I think spamming in general, is just immature and, as I mentioned before, serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever aside from personal amusement. Frankly, there are other, less annoying ways to amuse yourself but then I come from a generation of gamers where we were actually respectful and civil to one another. Sadly, those days are gone.

honestly there probaly isn't more to the story ...

Heres a story for you a long time ago I went by the name bloom theyaoiangel on siren ... really did nothing wrong but they made me change my name on the character because someone didn't like it when there was no reason to be offended by it and it was a pg-13 name