Holy now a bannable spell.

[AsukaAsakura]

Stop trying to compare this to crafting and melding. You craft in town. Theres a market board. Who goes out into the field to craft? Can you explain why someone would come into town and spam Holy for minutes on end for any reason other than just to be a nuisance to people? Are there enemies in town now? Stop pretending he only pressed it once or twice. If he got reported, possibly by multiple people, clearly there was intent behind it and hes trying to play innocent. Yes you can turn off effects and sound for others, but should one person be allowed to annoy everyone in town into having to do that? Think rationally.

I mean. The reason crafting was brought into this. The GM said it was "spamming the chat log" Crafting does exactly that. By the EXACT SAME DEFINITION the GM used in this case, it covers people who spam craft/meld. Your opinion is that. Others is that TOS is TOS. So I mean. TOS is TOS. It doesn't only apply when it suits your views of what makes sense.

[Raim]

I mean. The reason crafting was brought into this. The GM said it was "spamming the chat log" Crafting does exactly that. By the EXACT SAME DEFINITION the GM used in this case, it covers people who spam craft/meld. Your opinion is that. Others is that TOS is TOS. So I mean. TOS is TOS. It doesn't only apply when it suits your views of what makes sense.

Because intent matters. Why do people forget that? Crafting in town isn't considered spamming just because it fills up chat logs. Spamming requires intention to disrupt others.

[AsukaAsakura]

Because intent matters. Why do people forget that? Crafting in town isn't considered spamming just because it fills up chat logs. Spamming requires intention to disrupt others.

So if I am in a part of Limsa with no one else, and you come in while I am already casting holy for my own enjoyment, Am I now spamming because my intent was my fun on my own? I'm sorry but using abilities is not spam, its not harassment unless you explicitly follow someone around doing it. Your logic makes 0 sense. And "Spam is spam" per the GM.

Also see Spam: Definition of spam (Entry 1 of 3)
: unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as e-mails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places
spam verb
spammed; spamming
Definition of spam (Entry 2 of 3)
transitive verb

: to send or post spam to
spammed customers with discount offers
spamming a message board
intransitive verb

: to send or post spam
The company was accused of spamming via text messages.

Using abilities even if we call it 'spam' doesn't even fit the definition of spam.

[althenawhm]

Because intent matters. Why do people forget that? Crafting in town isn't considered spamming just because it fills up chat logs. Spamming requires intention to disrupt others.

Oh, the GMs are psychic now?

[Raim]

Oh, the GMs are psychic now?

What other purpose does someone have to go into the crowded center of town and spam Holy for minutes on end? Stop pretending like you don't know what was going on. All this silly nonsense about how someone "Just loves to cast magic." For minutes on end? Right in the middle of town? Come on man just admit it. Do judges and police officers need to be psychic to determine intent too or can they rely on common sense? Either way it appears they have made their decision.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

What other purpose does someone have to go into the crowded center of town and spam Holy for minutes on end? Stop pretending like you don't know what was going on. All this silly nonsense about how someone "Just loves to cast magic." For minutes on end? Right in the middle of town? Come on man just admit it. Do judges and police officers need to be psychic to determine intent too or can they rely on common sense? Either way it appears they have made their decision.

First off I cast my flame thrower every time I can get a chance because I like the flames be I in town the fc house or even my own private room I cast it because I like the animation... so honestly yes they do you CAN NOT KNOW A PERSONS INTENT UNLESS YOU KNOW THE PERSON. everyone does things for their own reasons If I took time to work on my ast id use the star ability every where because I love the pretty star effect on that move they use.

[Raim]

First off I cast my flame thrower every time I can get a chance because I like the flames be I in town the fc house or even my own private room I cast it because I like the animation... so honestly yes they do you CAN NOT KNOW A PERSONS INTENT UNLESS YOU KNOW THE PERSON. everyone does things for their own reasons If I took time to work on my ast id use the star ability every where because I love the pretty star effect on that move they use.

I like flamethrower too but if it had no cooldown I wouldn't go around town pressing it every GCD for 10 minutes because as a reasonable person I realize that might be quite annoying for everyone else at my expense.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I like flamethrower too but if it had no cooldown I wouldn't go around town pressing it every GCD for 10 minutes because as a reasonable person I realize that might be quite annoying for everyone else at my expense.

if it didnt have a cd id be by the tree in limsa using it every 10 seconds during my 20-30mins ques as a dps. I get why it would seem annoying if the person was moving around but if a person is just sitting in a single spot casting it if your annoyed by that that is your own proplem and you should go to a diffrent spot

Firstly, I suspect there is more to this story than is being told. I mean, why would anyone simply take this person at his word, unless you know him personally and can vouch for what he said happened? I seriously doubt that this player was banned simply for spamming an ability. If I had to guess I would say this person probably has dialogue macroed to his Holy or has done something alongside the spell. I've been playing Final Fantasy XIV since closed beta and I have never seen or heard of someone being banned or action taken for simply using an ability over and over again. There was always something associated with it that caused the action.

Secondly, why are people defending spamming in the first place? Ok, yeah, sure the person can leave but by that logic the person spamming could...oh I don't know...stop spamming. Since spamming serves no purpose whereas hanging around in a city could be for a legitimate reason my opinion is the person spamming should stop, especially if people have made it known they are annoyed by it. This has nothing to do with people looking for reasons to complain or just being whiny crybabies or whatever.

Personally, I think spamming in general, is just immature and, as I mentioned before, serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever aside from personal amusement. Frankly, there are other, less annoying ways to amuse yourself but then I come from a generation of gamers where we were actually respectful and civil to one another. Sadly, those days are gone.

honestly there probaly isn't more to the story ...

Heres a story for you a long time ago I went by the name bloom theyaoiangel on siren ... really did nothing wrong but they made me change my name on the character because someone didn't like it when there was no reason to be offended by it and it was a pg-13 name