How do you think Yoshida would react to the following hypothetical regarding parsing?

[Gula]

Well sir, that would be x1000 favors you would be doing for SE. This is like a farmer having troubles with rodent pests, and a whole herd of them conveniently toss themselves in his snares.

If you think strength in numbers will amplify the voice, prevent expulsion, or the best case scenario for you; get them to cave, you would be sorely mistaken.

Area 51's failure apparently didn't teach some people a lesson.

[Valorak]

I assume that he would hypothetically do a massive facepalm at how many times we have to cover the same topics.

One of the primary focuses of his discussion about mods and 3rd-party tools on the Live Letter was that they aren't hunting down people that are just parsing for themselves or trusted friends, but that it is also still definitively against the rules to use 3rd-party tools. Unless they reverse that stance, revealing that you use those tools on your computer is inviting a ban/suspension. The fact that you wouldn't be criticizing/harassing players with the data doesn't matter since they already explicitly said "Please don't use them." and stated that such tools are against the ToS.

[Saefinn]

Probably nothing will happen unless you start using those parsed results to harass or put down other players. Yoshi P's main objection is the toxicity it can generate. So I expect that's what it will boil down to.

[Mahrze]

Rival MMO's could also potentially exploit the situation for their own game by highlighting that they allow for the use of certain mods, too.

As much as I agree with the sentiment, I doubt some of the mods that Yoshi has gone against will be "praised" by a community if they are approved elsewhere. There is a difference, and I doubt any rival MMOs would be able to exploit it without any caveats.

Besides, if they did ban thousands of players then that'd open the door to people asking why they haven't banned the hundreds of players who hang around in Ul'dah on Balmung and Mateus with explicit search info.

A clear example of "but they did/do it too". Its glaring and well known issue with SE that there is varying levels of bias/willingness to enforce certain things in the community. But its a whole different issue when this proposed situation is so polarizing and that you're openly "breaking the rules" because you want "to make a point".

There's an old saying in my neck of the woods that "for every bad thing, you need to do at least 10 good things to compensate". I'm sure there are better ways to approach the situation, but what's proposed here will do more harm than good.

There seems to be a lack of cultural understanding here.

This argument can easily go both ways. Its a big problem when neither party wants to meet the other where they are at because they refuse to see where they are at.

[QT_Melon]

There seems to be a lack of cultural understanding here.

This protest will come off heavily regionally influenced and amount to a cultural clash. It seems the idea "Might makes right" to a player base that culturally doesn't even bother with all the content available.

Whereas you have another culture that completes more of it and doesn't make loud threats for the most part about parsers exclusion from the game. They kick a bad player and go about other things. It is unless that player is so bad or gets the ire where it gets ugly.

And I mean REALLY UGLY.

[Vnolan]

If you think strength in numbers will amplify the voice, prevent expulsion, or the best case scenario for you; get them to cave, you would be sorely mistaken.

They just had a chance to flex their muscles with the automated waymark placement. How did that turn out?

So yeah very doubtful Yoshi would be complacent with such an act, and instead would kick over the can of fuel and light the match himself. The guy is pretty passionate, and he has shown no love for this kind of software.

Which act? Parsing? He already said he's fine with it if you keep it to yourself. You believe the "we can't be sure" excuse about streaming? If an influencer were to make hateful comments, you can bet they would not be invited to the next event.

The fact that you wouldn't be criticizing/harassing players with the data doesn't matter since they already explicitly said "Please don't use them." and stated that such tools are against the ToS.

It's not about whether it's allowed, but whether they would choose this of all instances to hand out punishment. Participation wouldn't have to be limited to those that can parse. Those without access to one could have a friend relay the info over outside channels and let them post it in-game. Those players would be at risk just the same despite not using a parser. Do you not see how ridiculous the whole situation is? People try to compare to real-world law, but it would be like something is only illegal if you admit to it. Doesn't matter if it was impossible for you to commit the act, you said you did and that's all the proof needed.

I'm sure there are better ways to approach the situation, but what's proposed here will do more harm than good.

No one is proposing anything. It's a hypothetical which should be obvious since the people who would be needed to partake in such an event (those with parsers) would have no incentive to (because they can already parse).

Whereas you have another culture that completes more of it and doesn't make loud threats for the most part about parsers exclusion from the game.

Koike incident happened on NA servers?

[Mahrze]

No one is proposing anything. It's a hypothetical which should be obvious since the people who would be needed to partake in such an event (those with parsers) would have no incentive to (because they can already parse).

Ah, a freudian slip. Got it.

[spf1200]

They already said they can't scan what you have on your computer, so discreet users can continue what they are doing without fear of punishment. What more do you want?

These people want SE to say parsers are fine so they can start showing off their epin without fear of a ban or so they can start harassing people with low numbers and use the excuse that SE says it's fine. The dev team has said many times that it isn't going to happen but these people just won't let up.

[QT_Melon]

Koike incident happened on NA servers?

Moogle Post.
Authars.

Accusations someone was cheating because they were doing Gathering desynth.

[Mahrze]

Moogle Post.
Authurs.

The Moogle Post Incident is completely separate from the Parsing/ACT issue.


Arthars' issue was more like the inverse Koike incident. And things like what Arthars did are also related to other less popular streamers who have been caught mid-stream about doing a freudian slip or 10.